How do you feel about the 10mm for CCW

[gregarat]

I’ve been thinking about getting a G29 10mm. From what I gather it has more power than the .45. Also it would be a nice hunting sidearm. I understand that it has more recoil than a .45. But I’m not recoil sensitive. On the other hand I haven’t had the chance to fire a 10mm yet. On top of that I don’t have any clue how It handles W.T.S.H.T.F. I do plan on renting one at my shooting range. I just wondered what everyone’s opinion is about this cartridge?

[BrassHog]

While my first hand knowledge of the 10mm is limited (I haven't fired one either) I am somewhat familiar with it. The 10mm would do well for self defense but be mindfull that the main downfall of the cartridge was that the weapons that it was/is chambered for at first didn't seem to like it very well hence it's downfall. Choose the weapon carefully and I suggest firing on of the particular models in which you are wanting or at least ask someone who owns one how it is handling.

[HuntinDoc]

10mm is a fine round but it beats up most guns. It causes the slide on a auto to move rearward fast, with more energy than most other standard rounds.

[gregarat]

Doc,
Wich platform do think will stand up to the 10mm abuse the best. The Glock or 1911?

[gumpokc]

EAA Witness series has a good solid 10mm, as does the colt delta elites, though they are no longer produced.
There are some others out there as well, glock as mentioned but service life is definately somewhat lower without a good maint program.

On Paper, the 10mm, and the .45 are somewhat similar, with the 10mm having an average of 50-100 fps speed advantage on the same weight bullet. The 10mm has a better balco for any particular bullet weight when compared to the .45 which gives it a slightly better tracjectory.

The .45 can handle heavier bullets though, at least according to the loading manuals i have.

Recoil is roughly similar, if you can handle one, you can handle the other.

10mm bullets range 155-200 grains, 1400-1150fps
.45 185-230 grains 1000-900 fps.

yes there others available for both if you handload/reload but just going by the basic charts on my maunals. Will give you a ballpark idea of what they do.

I have had one for about 6 years , parker/wyoming arms (not a very good pistol admittedly) 10mm, have a very nice Colt GCNM custom shop 10mm on layaway that'll be coming home in sept

It's a good cartridge, the few problems it does have, I can see no reason why a little more work couldn't fix. afterall, if they can manage a .50AE, or hot loaded .44mag, both of which far outstrip the 10mm in both recoil energy and power and have semi-autos which handle them well, it seems that making one for the 10mm should not be a problem.

As for the original question of using it for a CCW? I think it would be a poor choice, even though i personally like it.
Your not going to find too many "small" 10mm's for CCW.
If you want something small like that, look for a .40S&W or a .357sig

for a personal sidearm, i think it's great! for a CCW, well...it's not exactly something you hide easily in lightweight clothing.

As for a hunting sidearm,if you don't mind using hollowpoints, or cast lead it's great, there are _no_ JSP's to be found for it, or at least i have never found any in the last 6 years of watching for them.

[gregarat]

Your not going to find too many "small" 10mm's for CCW.

Im not very concerned by the frame size. Im able to conceal most large autos withought a problem.
The recoil seems managable.
I wanted to use it as a "cover all" handgun, for while Im out of town. Too bad about the cartrage beating up the firearm. I kinda wanted it as a Glock, seeing that they are low maintenrnce, tough, and almost rust proof (Im going to be spending some time on the coast). I do remember hearing how some Glock .40's, had breaking issues. A .40 is only a 10mm short after all.

I might be better off geting a Glock .45 or .45GAP....?

[gumpokc]

If size isn't a problem, then I'd asy get whatever you feel comfy with using.

As far as it being rough on frames, I've heard the same things you have, I would imagine it all depend son the care, maint, and diet used.

I mean it isnt _that_ much stronger than a .45, and definatley less than a .44mag, or .50AE and they make frames that handle those fine.

It may be that the early frames had problems and thats all we hear about, or it may still be that way.
I haven't shot the parker enough to say so (it's my brothers now, he talked me out of it), and the new one I haven't gotten to fire it yet.

I do know several deputies who use 10mm, either EAA's ot Delta elites who are happy with them though.
I might try to get ahold of them and see if i can get more detyailed info, we've only talked about them in general.

[HuntinDoc]

My only experience was with a early model delta elite. The plastic recoil spring guide broke after about 50 rounds. I also read in a publication that maybe one of our members can help me recall its name. A copy was given to me about a year after the Delta elites came out. Basically what this publication did was buy guns and gear off the shelf, shoot or abuse them till they broke, ran elaborate tests on them then wrote a recommendation. I never had a subscription because it was a couple hundred dollars a year. They took no advertisement or sponsorship of any kind. I don't even know if they are still in publication. What I remember from that issue was Deltas the guide breaking was the first to go. With imaging they were able to detect microfractures in the slide at about 150 rounds. On their test gun the sear broke at around 250 rounds.
I really have no idea about the Glock and how it would hold up. With those pressures I would be real concerned about an unsupported chamber.

I also don't know if the Deltas have improved or not. I sold mine 15 years ago and never missed it. Personally I have not found Colt quality to be that great in recent years.

My final recommendation is to call Alex Hamilton or email him at Ten Ring precision in San Antonio. He handles all of my pistolsmithing work and is a super great guy. He also writes for American Handgunner and will most likely point you in the right direction.

[gregarat]

Personally I have not found Colt quality to be that great in recent years.

Your not the only one with that opinion. The only die-hard Colt fans I know, rave about them just because of the name.

It seems that the Witness might not be a bad option. From the very little reserch I did on EAA. Also, I dont have Colt $$$$ to toss around. I still havent closed the book on Glock yet eather.

[gumpokc]

I've been kinda sorta eyeing a Witness myself. I agree on the Colt
quality issue, they just "ain't what they used to be" in that dept.

This Colt i have on laywaway, once it's paidoff, it's going to be mainly a collectorish piece. Limited edition of a uncommon model.

I've been thinking along the lines i mentioned before on the EAA Witness series as a working gun, but i have no firsthand exp yet.
Everything i've read seems good so far. If i find out anything more want me to give you a hollar?

[gregarat]

If i find out anything more want me to give you a hollar?

Please do.


Heres some stuff I found. Yall might of already seen this, but in case ya havent:

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http://www.gundirectory.com/more.asp...059&gun=Pistol


For a M.S.R.P. of $450 I think I know where some of my tax return $ might be going. Im still going to do some digging, espesaly about there "Wonder finish", and how it holds up to rust.

[Esox357]

Go with the Glock, you won't regret it. Esox357.

[Riposte1]

The 10mm is fine. I dont think it is "more powerful" than a .45 (have shot some game and seen some shot with both as well as a couple of cases in this area where it was used on people - our state police carried it for years).

If you can get your hands around a 29 and control it in rapid fire it should be a great CCW gun. I cannot control my G-20 as well as my Delta Elites or my Bren X and I cannot quite control them as well as my 1911 .45 so I stick with the .45 but don't think I am not tempted. Working out in the wild so to speak, I might just go for a 10mm Kimber match (more for the long range accuracy with adequate power than for more power).

Be careful however, there are widely varying power levels in the 10mm. Some is no more potent than a .40 S&W and some is "stout" - I have several hundred rounds of factory ammo that cannot be shot in a Glock (it is the ammo not the gun that is at fault).

Riposte.