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Larry... to the average shooter the 20 ga may be a good starter. But if ya think the 20 doesn't kick much more than the 410...try shooting either with the butt of the gun against your forehead...or your chin. I've done it and the 410 surely is a pussycat..the 20 ga hurts. As far as starting a woman or kid with a 12...it really isn't a very good idea...even if the darn thing is loaded down to 7/8 oz loads...even slow loads. The problem with any of these suggestions is what happens if they get a chance to shoot without your "light" loads...or with a gun that really doesn't "fit" as well as it should. Finding a gun that "fits" is a problem in and of itself. I had an 1100 28 ga that I had 3 different length stocks and each had at least 3 recoil pads that were fit to the stocks. Usually got it pretty close for them. Also had a 20 ga 100 similarly set up. Some women could handle the recoil of a 20...especially after getting the basics in hand.. In fact most usually went to the 20 after a while. A couple even went to the 12. One lady shot the 12 just fine in the field. She made quite a few trips out to the Dakotas for pheasant and ducks. But when practicing...she shot the 20...or the 28. Even 1 oz 12's hurt her when practicing. When shooting at game she told me that she didn't even feel the gun go off. As I don't when shooting at game.....except slugs...and that blasted 300 Weatherby Mag. Kicks worse than my 375 H&H. Before moving I bought one of the new 1100 Sporting guns. Still have it... hardly been shot. Still have 2 of the stocks too..just in case. With the right choke and load the 28 is still a 40 yd gun...in the right hands. The 12 is just not necessary on the teaching field IMO. Not starting an argument...just making a very informed observation. I got paid(very well) to teach...Oh...and just to let ya know..ol Fabs really ain't too bad with a scatter gun...or a rifle either for that matter. Now I think I am off to bed...er sumthin