You have GOT to be kidding me...

[fabsroman]

Originally Posted by kt

Yes, i do believe with non tox you do pay for what you get. as soon as you said you cut open a shotshell i started thinking xpert. we did the same thing when they first came out after a few canadas took bb's in the face at 20yds and didnt die on spot. some was round some looking like welders slag drippings. supposedly since then they upped the velocity and now it is super xpert or something. i look at it like this if some steel is 21 a box and some is 11 for the same shell. something is a miss. and another thing yes steel does kill just fine, you dont need two dollar bismuth/tung/hevi/matrix. i prefer federal premium. black cloud is nice, nothing wrong with the higher priced win supremes. oh and remington sportsman steel sucks just as bad as xperts. good luck killing. try email for winchester?

I couldn't even kill cripples with the Remington Sportsman steel loads. That stuff is pure crap.

Yeah, steel works if you get the birds in really close. If not, good luck using steel.