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01-18-2005, 11:05 AM
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Open tops?
TMR (or anybody else out there) Does anybody make an open top in 44 special? I have seen a slew of them in 44 colt, but was wondering about the 44 specials. Just another item on my list of I wants.
GoodOlBoy
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01-20-2005, 08:46 AM
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Well son of a gun finally found the Cimarron 1872 open tops in 44 special. . . . Now if they just didn't cost more than a durned new Ruger. . . .
GoodOlBoy
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01-20-2005, 09:05 PM
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The Cimarron crew realized--quite correctly--that running off M-1872 Open Tops, or M-1860/70 Richards-Mason Army Conversions in the original .44 Colt...wasn't going to make them any serious sales.
(That was the big problem Armi San Marco/Palmetto had with theirs, which is why it departed from the scene. Details to follow) A little while back, the Cimarron boys figured out how to cut the chanbers such that BOTH .44 S&W Russian, and .44 Colt--as loaded by Black Hills-- would chamber & fire. Here's the details  --> The practically extinct .44 Colt cartridge (also known as .44 Remington, BTW!) has almost the same case diameter as .44 S&W Russian, Special, & Magnum. The rim is slightly narrower in diameter--but the MAJOR difference was that early loadings used a HEELED bullet of 0.449" o.d., the later loads using a hollowbase projo so as to catch in the 0.450" bore of the ORIGINAL Remmy & Colt cartridge conversions.ASM used a regular 0.429" bore barrel, but for authenticity's sake used the original chambering. Sales were...not what they hoped. Their 1860/70 Richards-Mason is out of production circa 9/11/01. Their arch-rivals, Cimarron, rapidly puzzled out that by cutting their chambers just so, the more easily obtained .44 S&W Russian would chamber and fire in the 0.429 bored modern open tops. Not TOO big a leap to reconfigure the whole assembly from there to take .44 Special, but IMHO that's about the LONGEST cartridge one could do up in an 1860 type frame with normal type gateloader backplate. R&D gun shop has figured out how to do a 5-shot open-top in .45 Colt, but sadly you have to drive out the barrel wedge in order to load/unload the cylinder... The designer at Cimarron who came up with the .44 Special open top deserves a promotion AND a raise! JMHO, folks. What THE MAD ONE is impatiently awaiting is a drop-in "Kirst Kartridge Konverter" for the Walker repros. While they're at it, a custom grip-frame of birdshead/broomhandle style would be cool to boot. {Anyone BESIDES me ever heard of the M-1870 Gasser revolvers in 11.15mm Werndl Carbine, or 11.75mm Montenegrin? These were HUGE open-tops popular in old Imperial Austria and the Balkans, dispensing the equivalents of .44 Extra Long Ballard (.44-50) and an apparent ancestral blackpowder version of .475 Linebaugh, respectively! Here's a pic of a fancy engraved 1870)
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#4
01-21-2005, 09:43 AM
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What are your opinions on the quality of the Cimarron 1872s?
GoodOlBoy
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(Moderator - Gear & Gadgets, Cowboy Action, SouthWest Regional, Small Game) GoodOlBoy@huntchat.com For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. - John 3:16 KJV Then I commended mirth, because a man hath no better thing under the sun, than to eat, and to drink, and to be merry: for that shall abide with him of his labour the days of his life, which God giveth him under the sun. - Ecclesiastes 8:15 KJV "The gun has been called the great equalizer, meaning that a small person with a gun is equal to a large person, but it is a great equalizer in another way, too. It insures that the people are the equal of their government whenever that government forgets that it is servant and not master of the governed." - 40th President of the United States Ronald Reagan 1911-2004
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