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10-07-2006, 10:24 PM
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I'll have to let Rich clarify that for himself, however I believe that he was shooting for groups... that is, how well will the gun group its shots at varying distances. In this case, it is an outstanding group, REGARDLESS OF DROP.
If the gun will group as such, then finding out where you have to aim to accomplish this is a matter of range time. If you took the time to peruse the above posts, you will recognize that drop and trajectory are not quite relevant to each other. When measuring TOTAL DROP... a bullet traveling 1200 fps at the muzzle will have a total drop of 56.20 inches at 200 yards. It will have a total drop of 42.34" at 175 yards, or a difference in drop of 13.86 inches between 175 and 200 yards. The drop at 100 yards is 13.09 (on paper) or a difference of 39/3 inches from 200 yards.. However, when measuring trajectory, and sighted in for 100 yards, the hold over for that particular group would have been, as I think was mentioned earlier, somewhere on the lines of 29" requiring a holdover of approximately 2 feet on a deer. Using a method of sighting in for 175 or 200 yards makes your sighting in challenging, yes, but the subsequent hunting with that sight picutre (holdunder) is relatively easy compared to holdover and the problems associated with not being able to see the animal. Aloha... 
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#18
10-08-2006, 02:45 PM
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Savage 10ML II
Check this site out:
randywakeman.com I have an old CVA Hawken .50 that my dad and I put together from a kit. It has iron sites and hits where ever I point it. Good Hunting, TJ
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10-08-2006, 07:21 PM
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As I recall, the point of aim was actually 32" above the group. You HAD to know that didn't you?
 The rifle was zeroed at 100. When they group that steadily, and you know the range and bullet drop...... Don't expect those Powerbelts will do anything but spray. Try some Bullshop conicals, in particular try some of his 460 grain MT NEx or 500 grain N373 bullets. His prices will make your jaw drop in pleasant surprise.. and he gets them to you from Alaska in fairly short order. I just ordered in 500 of his 460NEx myself, even though I cast. I believe total cost was $111.xx delivered for 500 beautiful lubed conicals. 
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10-12-2006, 12:01 PM
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I used to have a Remmy 700 ML. Loved it to death, but it got stolen. Very accurate. In looking at some of the other ML's out there I came to the conclusion that I wasn't going to spend what some of the manufacturers wanted for their guns. I like the Omegas, especially the thumbhole stainless model, but it was just too much money for something I was only gonna hunt a couple of days with. Same for the Encore, except I also have never seen one out of several that I was overly impressed by in the accuracy Dept. I thought long and hard about the new Remmy, but the thing I didn't like about it was the fact that the hammer wouldn't clear the muzzle when you went to clean it. In other words after you pulled the plug out you have to clean from the muzzle end, which is going to make alot of stuff get down in to your hammer/trigger mechanism. I almost got the Optima Pro due to the fact that I have seen a few that shot pretty good for what they cost. In other words just as good as the Encore for half the price. Also never heard of anyone having any problems. I ended up getting the Optima though. Only difference is 2" less barrel and a pound lighter. If I need the extra velocity I'll switch my charge from FFg to FFFg 777 and gain the itty bitty bit I'll lose from not having those 2". I'll also have a gun that weighs plenty, but isn't too heavy. All this is in theory though as I haven't shot it yet. Got the scope on it and it's ready to go, but I've been hanging stands and other stuff. I'll report what I see.
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