Well, Here it comes...We all should have known it would.

[Ol` Joe]

You have to wonder about the idea of a ban in the states with the 2nd agenda of stopping gun problems in Mexico. I never knew we had to help the Mexican government.

[Skinny Shooter]

My thanks to everyone in this thread for providing some interesting reading.
Since BHO may have his hands tied by scotus, what kind of damage could he do with an executive order?

[denton]

I don't know how much he can do with an executive order.

The ploy that worries me the most is one that does not involve any legislation whatever. That starts with the President agreeing to the jurisdiction of the International Court. Then, some cooperating entity could bring suit against the US for failing to observe the UN rules on small arms control. We would clearly lose that suit. UN rules then become the law of the land... except that I think an international treaty does trump domestic law, but not the Constitution.

Anyway, if they can carry that off it's extremely bad for us. It involves no legislation, and we have no recourse.

I suppose we could cut off UN funding, which wouldn't hurt my feelings...

[fabsroman]

Guys, do a google search on "Pelosi throws cold water on weapons ban"

As much as Republicans bad mouth Pelosi, I think she might be one of the few politicians that has a clue about the feelings of America. I received an e-mail once about her wanting to institute a flat tax, but that e-mail was dead wrong and after reviewing her stance on income taxes, I support it. I know, I'm probably going to get blown out of the water on this board for just saying support and Pelosi in the same sentence.

In the end, I hope that Pelosi is speaking truthfully and forcefully regarding this stupid assault weapons ban proposal. Maybe Obama's staff will see all the internet chatter caused by this statement, and he will back off from it. I like some of his ideas, and think he should focus on the ones all of America can agree on needing to be done. If he accomplishes those, then let him try to resolve the stickier issues.

I think we can all agree that education and health care need to be addressed, and I am not talking about socialist health care, but some type of reform. We have been dealing with our health plan administrator for 4 months now on $160 worth of charges erroneously pulled from our HRA money, and the problem is pretty simple. The provider billed us for the $160 when they should have only billed us $10 (i.e., it was Target clinic and my wife is an employee of Target clinic). Now, we have until the end of March to resolve this and spend the money somehow, because we are moving from the HRA to a Traditional plan and will lose it if we don't use it. I won't even get started about our FSA money and trying to get them to release that. I might as well be talking to the wall. About the only thing we have going for us is that I am an attorney and I am not scared to use small claims Court.

[Larryjk]

If you don't think obama is a meglomanic, look at the pictures of him in newpapers. There is usually a statute of Lincoln, or a picture of Washington, or something along that order in the background of the picture. You can see how he feels about himself and how the media is willing to portray him.

[fabsroman]

If he wants to be portrayed as a Lincoln or a Washington, he had better do a lot better with his Presidency than what he is currently doing. Was being sworn in with Lincoln's bible an indicator? He uses a lot of language from Lincoln's speeches too. I'll give him some time before I pass judgment on him, 6 months, maybe a year, and then I will start to be hyper critical. Nothing like having started investing in my retirement in 1997, and having the stock market back to 1997 levels where my dollar cost averaging has actually returned a huge negative amount. Here is looking to the next 30 years.

I don't like his insane spending, and I hate bailing anybody out, especially the banks and the people that got mortgages they could not afford. If it wasn't for those two groups, everything would still be going along fine, house prices wouldn't have reached the stratosphere, the Big 3 wouldn't need a bailout because people would still be able to afford a car, etc. Of course, the bank bailout was Bush's great idea.

[Mr. 16 gauge]

Thing is, I think the poor are looking at it from the opposite angle. They want a revolution because they do not have enough.

Why not? We have been a welfare nation since the 60s! You mean that they want more for sitting on their asses and doing nothing?!
Just remember: those who rob Peter to pay Paul can always count of the support of Paul!

[skeet]

Originally Posted by You mean that they want [I

more[/I] for sitting on their asses and doing nothing?!

I have to disagree. They haven't been sitting on their asses and doing nothing.. They have been laying on their backs and breeding and making more welfare recipients..since the 60's! Depending on you and me to support them and theirs. Lets start giving drug and alcohol tests to all welfare recipients. ..Also to all food stamp recipients. If they have enough money to by likker or drugs then they do not NEED the free handouts. And now they want to make all the illegals citizens...to create more welfare recipients...Oh he!!. they are getting it anyway...Signed...Annoyed in Amerika

[Mr. 16 gauge]

I have to disagree. They haven't been sitting on their asses and doing nothing.. They have been laying on their backs and breeding and making more welfare recipients..since the 60's!

Your right.....I stand corrected!

[Adam Helmer]

GOLD-PAN,

Welcome to this Forum; I see this is just your 3rd post.

For 26 years I lived in Salem, NH and NH and Maine were my territory. I spent far too many hours at Kittery Trading Post and every gunshop from Kittery to Fort Kent.

Again, welcome to this site.

Adam

[GoodOlBoy]

Also you might want to read up on his stance on CHL licensing. He has stated that CHL holders do nothing but add to the criminal element in the US.

GoodOlBoy

[Mr. 16 gauge]

Also you might want to read up on his stance on CHL licensing. He has stated that CHL holders do nothing but add to the criminal element in the US.

By "he", who are you refering to, Obama or Holder.....and do you have a credible source that you can reference? Not doubting you, but I would like to have that bit of info tucked away for other arguments. Thanks........

[GOLD-PAN]

I see a lot of QUOTES from the bible.... anybody doing any reading maybe this country need's a version of the koran... Insted of american's being the enemy just the dam government.... no rioting just total takeover BLOOD IN THE RIVER'S / CORPES IN THE STREET'S then that POS in washington will get the message this is the PEOPLES country...... you go ahead and register your firearms (we''ll see you as POW'S of this communist country......) and you''ll be on your own....the ground will be stained by the blood of idiot's....and the liberty tree by the blood of PATRIOTS ! YOU CHOOSE !

[skeeter@ccia.com]

Do we Americans even have a say anymore in what our Gov does?....I have to hijack this post for only a moment with a note to Fabs..our 'law man'...as attorney and going to court Fabs, I just left a court room last week..I got nephew out of jail 3yrs ago when his dad died..to attend..I gave him all his dads (my brother) items like wallet..well as I just took over POA of my mothers things, (his grandmother he lived with for over 20 yrs) I find out from bank statements he was living pretty well on her money..Cash advances on her credit cards like 1500 bucks at a time, charges to beer joints, filling peoples cars with gas, nude bar lap dances..then there is the check writing to pay off his lawyer (from when I got out of jail) ..of $990....oh and using his dead dads ID card and walking in the credit union saying he was his dad..(use to be co on moms account).and cleaning our my mothers savings..well..I took him to court..all he had to do is pay one $95. charge back to one bank and if I want anything else returned, I have to file in each town they originated in...believe that?..know what a pia that would be for me?..ah..he walks..If I went into a bank, lied about ID, cleaned out an account other than mine, I would be in jail....but here it goes back to your dealing with insurance co etc etc...nobody gives a butt about things anymore..we almost have to do their jobs for them..their paperwork...while again, those that have nothing....and don't want anything and that live off the gov ..just continue to do so....while we are the only ones that care....ok back to the original post...just had to grump a little..about the 'system'

[fabsroman]

Skeeter,

How much money are you talking about? If it is a decent sum, go talk to an attorney that will be willing to take this on a contingency fee. Banks are usually responsible for knowing their account holders. So, if he withdrew money out of an account in person, the bank would be on the hook for that. With the ATM cards you are probably SOL.

Did you sue him civilly?

Right now, the silver lining in this cloud is that it appears his free ride is over. Hope he has a tough life in front of him for what he has done. You just have to love this type of excrement.