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			We ended up with commercial radio's with commercial frequencies.  We have had good luck with I believe the UFR band.  Its kinda like AM radio as opposed to the VFR brand whcih is like FM radio.  We can get 5 miles out of these on flat land and maybe a good mile or mile and a half in the timber.  
 A lot of companies make these.  We have a 12 radio's in our group all programed to the same frequency.  Make and model vary.  Most of us bought a pair.  Two things go with me every trip, my gun or bow and my radio.
 
 The ones they sell in Kart and Wally world just don't seem to cut it.
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