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Old 05-24-2011, 12:14 AM
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Last but not least, STOP PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH!!!!!!!!!! I never once said we should apologize for anything that we did. My examples were to show that the US isn't of clean hands either, and we shouldn't be going around 60+ years later and trying to sentence 90+ year old men to death for things they did during a filthy, disgusting war.

By the way, I also figured you would be the first one to respond. Seems like anything that looks like it might lean left draws you out right away. Kind of like the extreme lefties on the cycling board I visit. In there, anything that barely leans right draws them out. Like I say to them, you my friend, are the problem we have in this country and why the country is so divided. I bet there isn't one single point that you would concede to the left. Me, I sit somewhere in the middle and get crap on both boards. Luckily, I have a thick skin.
Fabs I put no words in your mouth. You said yourself we shouldn't have firebombed Dresden or the japs with the nukes. "The war was over?? In neither case was that true. The Germans funneled all those refugees into Dresden for a reason my friend and as I pointed out the japanese would have fought for every blade of grass. And of course the US had dirty hands. As I said the wars are won by the meanest SOBS...and the people with the most resources. We happened to have had both at the time... As far as your leaning left..you do a bit..I lean a bit right. But I don't jump on what you say unless you are clearly wrong. The emperor should have been hung with Tojo but then we would have had a real problem dealing with the japanese people. So not only were we the nasty guys..we were the real patsies after the war..rebuilding those countries with our wealth. Turns out it may have been the smart thing to do.. Many Americans were seriously opposed to doing it though. In some ways you just try to make everything so hard to do. Sometimes as they say..ya got to break a lot of eggs to make an omelet...and it seems like you just want to pass 'em over the pan and say that's good enough...without breaking them. You know..the world is still a very nasty place to play in....and there are some really nasty people in it. Like you I don't think we should be the world's policemen get out of Afghanistan..Libya and all the other sinkholes in the world...and make the US the strong nation that it once was. And not apologizing for being the strong wealthy nation we should be
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Old 05-24-2011, 12:31 AM
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Fabs I put no words in your mouth. You said yourself we shouldn't have firebombed Dresden or the japs with the nukes. "The war was over?? In neither case was that true. The Germans funneled all those refugees into Dresden for a reason my friend and as I pointed out the japanese would have fought for every blade of grass. And of course the US had dirty hands. As I said the wars are won by the meanest SOBS...and the people with the most resources. We happened to have had both at the time... As far as your leaning left..you do a bit..I lean a bit right. But I don't jump on what you say unless you are clearly wrong. The emperor should have been hung with Tojo but then we would have had a real problem dealing with the japanese people. So not only were we the nasty guys..we were the real patsies after the war..rebuilding those countries with our wealth. Turns out it may have been the smart thing to do.. Many Americans were seriously opposed to doing it though. In some ways you just try to make everything so hard to do. Sometimes as they say..ya got to break a lot of eggs to make an omelet...and it seems like you just want to pass 'em over the pan and say that's good enough...without breaking them. You know..the world is still a very nasty place to play in....and there are some really nasty people in it. Like you I don't think we should be the world's policemen get out of Afghanistan..Libya and all the other sinkholes in the world...and make the US the strong nation that it once was. And not apologizing for being the strong wealthy nation we should be
Show me where in my post I said we should APOLOGIZE. Just show me that. There is a difference between saying that we should not have done something versus we should apologize for it. So, I stand by what I said.

STOP PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH. When you can show me where I said we should APOLOGIZE for dropping the bombs on Japan and where I said we should APOLOGIZE for Dresden, then I will APOLOGIZE to you. Until then, you can STOP PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH.

I also don't mind breaking eggs. Have no issue with any torture that led to Osama Bin Laden, etc. In hindsight we can sit here and Monday morning quarterback the entire freaking war. While it was going down, our only job was to kill more of them than they killed of us. I think Patton had a great quote regarding that. Kind of like sitting here 60+ years later and wanting to sentence this 90 year old man for war crimes that he may have committed. Jesus, who is still alive to testify against him and how can they actually pick him out of a lineup.
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