270wsm vs 270win

[Evan03]

on that note you myswell start shooting a 2506

[Evan03]

or anything else smaller than 277 bullet in 270win case. this cartridge must just be over kill for 90% of hunting.
smaller calibers are easier to shoot and make you and me better shooters.

no reason ever to go to something so big. the 270 270wsm 7mm 7wsm 3006 280 300win

wipe these calibers from exsistince let me keep my smaller ones and id never skip a beat. you could even take my 2506 from me and id be fine hunting elk with a 243.

from what you said the 270win is just to much rifle and you need something smaller.

how right you are youl never know

now dont have a cow.

you some how ended up with 270win, that doesnt make it the king of all kings. though it is a very.

you can argue it any wich way you want. so can i the simple truth is there are calibers better and some not as good as the 270win. not saying the 27wsm is better. its difrent and may suit some others difrently. but not better

argue away. ive dissrespected the king.

Evan


ps

i think id sujest the 243 over the 223. that way you can get light recoiling deer rifle that youl shoot alot.

[model 70]

hmmmm, lumping the .270win with the 300win mag in terms of overkill on deer? not so sure about that one.

fact of the matter is, your 25/06 holds no advantage over my .270 but my .270 can do more due to it's heavier bullet selection. not MUCH more. just a "hair".

i have a .243 already.

[Evan03]

cool.

didnt realize you had a 243.

the one if only advantage my 2506 has over my 270 is shootability. if thats an advantage at all. i tend to think that whatever advatage the 270 does have over the smaller. more girlish calibers is that girls like me put thousands of rounds through them and get very good.

ive had my 270 some 7 years longer than my 2506. but i bet ive shot as many as twice as many rds through my 2506.

there a was time when the 270 was the best caliber ever. there wasnt anything bigger or smaller that would ever be better. i mean nothing you could show me knew this, old that faster more energy there and i wouldnt care.

i dont even know how i found out about a 2506. probly the dang internet. i started reading alot, bought a 22/250 as my first rifle and realized that this shooting hunting sport could be alot more fun, with nothing more than lowering recoil.

something planted a 2506 bug, ohhhhhh i shot one. then i had to have one and got one this one.

and its that bug that was planted in me to get the 2506 thats driving me. i could have done everthing i wanted with my 270. but at the cost of not ever knowing what i was missing in other calibers. but then i wouldnt know so it wouldnt matter. ??

but i do know and im glad for that. becausethis world and perspective i see hunting and shooting in has forever changed. and all the thanks goes to the small 2506

i like small calibers that you know better than the back of your hand.

these in my opion are acurate and lethal on all but the largets game. keep in mind the right shooter behind the trigger. and how small the small caliber is

and thats not exscludeing the 270 from that list of lethal deadly weapons. and it is on my list. heck it should be. i started this hunting life with it and its done me better than good.

but as I evolve the rifle doesnt get used near as much as my smaller stuff. that doesnt mean that its now not as good as it was just ive changed and my opions and views are now begining to form in certian direction. that in the begining might have strayed and faulterd. but now it seems to be holding steady. in one direction



this thread realy isnt even about the 270 vs wsm, its it. ? it realy cant be.

the fact is ive tried bigger and smaller and i like the smaller than 277 calibers for everything. im not pushing my opion on you just putting it out there for you and everyone else to see and think. heck maybe even learn something.

so when you see me kinda downing the 270win, im realy not im just giveing my point of view from what i see from the direction ive been looking in.

thank you
Evan

[model 70]

ok, first off i never called nor implied you were a girl or less of a man (which in this context is more subjective than pure fact) for shooting a cartridge with a slightly smaller bore diameter.

what you should have stated about your 25/06 is that it is a better cartridge for YOU over the .270 and for reasons that do not pertain to ballistics in any way.

if it's easier to shoot more accurately for you than it's a better round for your rifle to be chambered in.

while on the bench the .270 makes me take notice after the 3rd or 4th shot. doesn't mean i can't handle it and it sure the heck doesn't mean i can't shoot it accurately. it's best suited for ME.

done.

[Evan03]

i guess even i cant make fun of myself any more.

shhhheeeeeeeeesh


if your being defensive you shouldnt be. you have no reason to unless you doubt yourself.

this thread is for 100% of the people out there. other than you. this thread is for the open minded. obviously other than you.

again it looks like i took a stab at something id of rather left alone.


a hole hearted apoligy.

Evan

[Evan03]

"and thats not exscludeing the 270 from that list of lethal deadly weapons. and it is on my list. heck it should be. i started this hunting life with it and its done me better than good. "


"the fact is ive tried bigger and smaller and i like the smaller than 277 calibers for everything. im not pushing my opion on you just putting it out there for you and everyone else to see and think. heck maybe even learn something."


"yep. 200fps more or 100-200ft. lbs more of energy won't kill a deer, hog, bear, antelope, etc. any deader than the old tried and true. bullet drop? guess you'll just have to sight an inch or two higher at 100 yards than dead on and that's being generous to the WSM. it all seems relative. the newbies still kick, they're still THAT loud and the ammo is a bit more pricey. not worth it if ya ask me"
recoil is about identical, so close you cant tell wich is less shooting side by side in like 7.5lb rifles. I reload. therefor its cheaper at times. but not everyone does makeing this kinda for the wanting hunter who reloads.
ummmm pretty close to dead nuts on at 300 with 1.5" high at 100. ill have to check on that and post back though im not positive how much we should be reliyn on printed trajectors. or balistics. its just print on paper after all. I know first hand exsperince recently has opend my eyes on that subject.

87.8975 percent of people will shoot a 2506 243 7mm08(fullsize rifle) 257 roberts. and the like much better than the bigger 3006 cased calibers.

any way you look at the 270 is one of the best when it comes to killing deer, and other game.


im realy at a loss for words. ive got no idea what to say.

if you were closer id load up a bunch or 2506 shells and give you my 2506 for the year.

Evan

[model 70]

say nothing then. you prefer the 25-06. who cares?
i prefer the .270, who cares?

both kill deer. your cartridge of choice is better suited to you as mine is to me. GET IT?!! good. not lets drop THAT debate.

oh and btw, this thread is for ANYONE who cares to post in it. even me. deal with it.

[fabsroman]

Model 70,

I haven't read the entire thread, but I will hand it to you, you have learned from all the other postings about the .270 subject.

There is no ideal cartridge, and most people pick them just because they want to. Seems as though you have picked up on that.

If I had the money, I would have at least one gun in each cartridge offered and would have several shotguns in the same gauge.

[Evan03]

[brandoneh297]

Why is it that everytime something new comes out thats a little more effective than the "old' calibers, the "old' hunters seem to feel threatened? The 270 is still a good round but the 270wsm beats it in every category. Why wouldn't you want something that's been improved from the past and changed into something more effective? I love all the new calibers that are coming out. If they keep improving the ammunition we have available I'll gladly keep getting rid of my old guns for somethng more accurate(which the wsm are by the way). I guess things never will change though. Old people love their old stuff and hate anything young and new. Oh well, I continue to shoot circles around you guys when I see you at the shooting range. Sorry I just get frustrated when something is judged harshly merely on the fact that its "new" and they love their "old" way just fine.

[model 70]

sorry, not every category. if that were the case, .270win sales would PROBABLY drop and WSM would sore.

[rem 700]

I believe this is called(correct me if I am wrong) "denial." WSM beats the original by a long shot. Performance and popularity are different things to speak of.

[Brithunter]

Hi brandoneh297,

You are a salesmans dream

Well one day they might get your new fangled fat little cartridges to feed properly, but then again with folks like you around possibly not as you will buy it anyway just because it's new and they claim it's better. The quality of the guns your paying all that money for is not better than those of 20 or so years ago. In fact it's the other way around.

Accuracy has improved ....................... yes but that is due to better made bullets and not your new fangled salesman aimed products. Oh and the short fat cartridge is not even a new US idea ...................... sorry but the British .280 from the late 1940's beat them to it. It was due for adoption in the mid 1950's but that didn't suit the US who bribed NATO into adopting the 7.62x51 so they could adopt their stocks of 30-06 rifles to the new cartridge, only when this was tried it was found not to work very well and new barrels had to be fitted instead. And all this time the USA's idea was to push NATO into adopting the 5.56mm (AKA.223) and have the M16 as the std Nato weapon, only that didn't quite pan out either.

Enough of politics and history though I have still not seen one single real advantage in the WSM cartridges, the supposedly advantage of the shorter bolt throw is all in the mind as is the stiffer action of a short action rifle. For if this one were true then the Ruger No1 would out perform every bolt action except possibly the Mauser 66 which has a telescopic bolt and so a very short action

Though not being that old nor that stuck in the dark Ages otherwise I would not be using this computer I still find pleasure in shooting classic rifles, ones in which quality was the by-word, these classics were not designed to be throw away items which they would like us to have now. But quality craftsmen made precision weapons, built with care and pride. They also cost the purchasers much more in their day than the slipshod ones mass produced today cost you! Despite the craftsmen not having the aid of computer coltrolled machinery, they worked to such fine lmits that parts are interchangable in most makes, this certainly seems to be the case in Mauser, DWM, BSA, Husqvarna and Steyr with which I have had experience with.

Hunting with a rifle made 50-120 years ago is a joy and they are all nitro cartridges as well, in a Pattern 14 rifle for instance the old warrior the .303 British cartridge can be improved upon by using modern powders and as the P-14 was designed for a high pressure cartridge the .276 Enfield, velocity can be safely increased to make it even more efficient now than it was 114 years ago when it was first loaded with the early Cordite smokeless propellent. I know of one Fallow pricket who had a tough couple of seconds dealing with the 150 Grn Hornady Spire Point which I put into his chest from the BSA P-14 based sporting rifle at higher velocity than any reloading manual shows This BSA was a fairly new one being made about 1952. Of course even at the normal (what would be slow velocity to you, seeing as how your are suffering from the dreaded Magnumitus) .303 velocity the deer would still have been dead, but I was having fun experimenting with loads and seeing just how this old warrior could perform once again in the field I also know that this rifle will feed the next round, after all this rifle design and possibly this rifles action went through the bloodiest conflict, which of course was WW1. The Great War! failure during this time would have cost the soldier his life, your toys can never hope to have such a trial.

And toys they are that is unless you live by them and possibly die by them. My collection of toys give me imense pleasure as I hope yours do you However as to the matter of the benifits of the WSM craze, sorry it's not for me, the only possible way I could see me using one would be in a falling block single shot rifle, but then again there are so many proven classics which can do the job, cost less and more easily available so ..............................?

[Evan03]

Brithunter

who knows maybe another 100yrs will tell.

how many difrent calibers did we have in 1920
how many in 1940
1960
1980
2000
2020


does the caliber list grown in spurts or is it slow and steady. maybe between 1920 and 40 5 calibers were invented. or maybe the calibers from the 20s were finaly figured out by the 40s.

however it works out im glad it worked out the way it has so far.

Evan