Scare an intruder?

[captain2k_ca]

One of these days I will get my CCW for the US......Yes they teach it in Canada!!

Seeing as I plan on one day working between Canada and the US, it would be real handy to have it and put it to use!!


Oh and I also forgot to add, I live in a rental house and we are not allowed to have pets.......so no dogs here

So all I got for home or Zombie defense is my remmy 870

And it'll put 3" 00 buck right through a door

Hoping to buy a handgun sometime this year......not totally sure what I want to get tho.....I like a few, such as Glocks(Pretty much all Glocks)and I am really fond of the Beretta 92, and 96.

Probably will go with .40 S&W....but maybe a 9mm......

[muledeer]

I have both Beretta's that you mentioned. Keep the 92 in the computer room and the 96 next to my pillow. My concealed carry favorite is the 96.
muledeer

[captain2k_ca]

I have handled the 96 at the local gun store, and what I like is the way it fits my hand, like it was built for it...its very comfortable.

Cant say the same fro any other handguns that I have handled....tho the Springfield XD-40 of my brothers is a pretty decent feel.

If I got a Glock I know it would need different grips on it right away......they just suck.

[Tater]

Just hang a picture of TreeDoc on your door and I guarantee nobody will come near your house

[skeet]

Fabs the guy I was talking about wan't a "perp" or anything. He just happened to be in the wrong place when the dog was turned loose. Personally like I said..dogs for searches etc are ok by me but the attack dogs the police use aren't always the most reliable means of criminal control. Not everyone the police catch is a crook ya know. Look at the poor black guy the cops killed in New York. Course not all cops are the most reliable guardians of the law either. Remember..I worked with cops for a lllooonnnggg time. Not all cops are law abiding either. But I am glad we have them...at least most of them.

[fabsroman]

I was just threatened by a police officer tonight. The guy has been a good friend of my brothers for 20 years and a friend of mine for 18 years. He is also married to a client of mine. Last month, I dealt with an officer that is under investigation for assaulting/battering his ex-wife and kids and threatening a fellow police officer. While he was doing all this stuff, he received the LEO of the year award. Just like everybody else, there are good and bad of everything. Problem with LEO's is that they have a gun and they know the legal system somewhat decently. A corrupt garbage collector isn't too bad because they don't have enough power to make your life miserable, but a corrupt LEO, Judge, or politician can cause you some serious problems. Any job with power involved that can affect other people's lives significantly should require lie detector tests every so often.

[Tall Shadow]

I would suggest Everyone here make a trip over to "The Box O' Truth website (Box O' Truth ) and see first hand what various Guns + Rounds Really do when fired inside a house.

And before it's asked, no, I am in no way associated with them....just have read/seen the tests that "Ol Painless" has done on most every combo of Ammo/Gun/Target out there. Lots of eye opening stuff, lots of "Thinkin' Material" for you to make up your own mind on what your choices should/might be.

Handguns & Shotties are great, but you might just rethink your stands on them after reviewing all of the tests over there. I know I am......

Just passing the info allong...

Tall Shadow

[fabsroman]

I tried to check out that website, but it was confusing as hell. What is the issue Tall Shadow? Is it that the penetration is too great and you could possibly kill somebody on the other side of the wall? If so, I am not too worried about that because I know where everybody in the house is and I can fire toward a side of the house where there is nothing except the outdoors on the other side of the wall.

I saw the test on the box of truth, and the ones I saw were done at 40 yards. I can assure you that no shot would be that far in my house, unless you are shooting at somebody outside the house. So, if it is a lack of penetration issue, that might not be an issue either.

[Tall Shadow]

Originally posted by fabsroman
I tried to check out that website, but it was confusing as hell.

Humm?! Really? I have not been there in a little while, but it was always pretty straight forward....I will have to revisit it tonight (can't now, blocked at work *$(&^$_()

Originally posted by fabsroman
What is the issue Tall Shadow? Is it that the penetration is too great and you could possibly kill somebody on the other side of the wall? If so, I am not too worried about that because I know where everybody in the house is and I can fire toward a side of the house where there is nothing except the outdoors on the other side of the wall.

Well, yes...Overpenitration IS a bigger issue than most people realize.

The trouble with "Knowing Exactly" where everyone is, is that Mr. Murphy likes to prove (Usually with disastrous results) how wrong we all can be......Well, that and people (both the ones we love, and the bad ones trying to do us harm) don't always do what we expect them to. You might be/choose right 4 out of 5 times...but that 5th one will come at the most inopportune time.

Originally posted by fabsroman
I saw the test on the box of truth, and the ones I saw were done at 40 yards. I can assure you that no shot would be that far in my house, unless you are shooting at somebody outside the house. So, if it is a lack of penetration issue, that might not be an issue either.

Most of his tests are done at what he considers a "Minimum" safe range (I'd imagine)...

What I was hoping to get people to see was his tests on the penetration of wall sections....set up like inside walls in an average home.
Handguns, Shotguns, and carbines don't act like Most people expect them to, when shot in to walls that are set up like an average house wall.

What I was trying to help with was that, we all need to evaluate the how, what, where, and when of shooting someone (if it ever comes down to that).
In these days of "Litigation first, truth later!" We All had better be well aware of exactly where all of our rounds are going.

Tall Shadow

[fabsroman]

Tall Shadow,

I will readily agree that almost any round fired in a house, even a .22lr would go through two pieces of drywall unless it happens to hit a stud. A 9mm round might go through 4+ pieces of drywall before stopping.

At the end of the day, I'll take my chances on killing somebody in the house, or the house next door to me, when I have a perp in the house that could possibly kill everybody in the house. At the end of the day, putting all the rounds into the perp will help prevent them from going anywhere else, but that is sometimes a little tough.

AT the end of the day, it is also better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6. Got that phrase from this chatboard. Plus, if a stranger is in my house without my permission, I am pretty sure that he isn't up to much good, and I am willing to bet that a jury would think the same.

[Tall Shadow]

Fabs!, Don't get me wrong Bro'!....Anyone who is in my house, without being invited, or who doesn't belong there...I will/do plan on making sure they will never get the chance to harm anyone....

What I was trying to provide is just another "Piece of the Puzzle" as it were. We should all have throughly thought our "Plan of Action" should we find ourselves in a situation where we must defend our selfs or our loved ones.

How a Gun + Ammo setup performs in "The Real World" is a big part of that (at least it is in my little part of the world).

We are not all expert in real world gunfights, I don't have the luxury of years of first hand knowledge.....Is what I plan to use effective?

Knowing, not only when to shoot, but also when not to, due to the risk of killing/injuring the very ones we are trying to protect.

Knowing that the "Great advice" you got from "Bob" at the gun club....Isn't Great, but in fact poor advice....Is priceless.

If your "Action Planning" is ready to go...well then, you are all set.

But I always like to keep up on what ever information that is out there......My set up might work OK, but maybe there is something a step better....Maybe I can show someone else my set up...You never know until you do the research.

Take Care Buddy!

Tall Shadow

[skeet]

I've never been in a gun fight per se. I was an unarmed witness to a gun fight. The cop won BTW. But I have been shot at and I WAS shootin back, believe you me. We can try to plan for every circumstance but it just doesn't happen the way we think. Wish it did. The thing we really want to be ready with is the truth as we saw it. Our perceptions aren't always what was true. Not telling you to make absolutely certain that the person in your house has a weapon..cause a delay may cost you or a family member a life...But be certain when ya have to tell the story...the truth as you perceived it. I know of at least one instance of a cop shooting an unarmed man..and he actually got away with it as his peception (and some other "witnesses") was that he was armed. Six 357 rounds in a 4" group in the middle of the chest left only one real story

[fabsroman]

Tall Shadow,

I'll agree with your last post completely.

As far as the person being armed or not, you can bet that I will not be checking him to see if he has a gun and I will not be waiting to see if he has a gun. I will be scared for my and my family's life as it is. I'm not a big guy, so if the intruder gets anywhere close to me, that is all it will take. Our plan of action is to wait in the master bedroom and call the police if we think anybody is in the house. If the intruder comes through the bedroom door, that will be the point where I go into action. Once I figure out that he isn't somebody I know or that he is wearing a mask, that will be it. I do not plan on checking out his identity and then checking to see if he has a gun. Mind you, I do not plan on seeking out anybody that is in the house, period. That is the police officer's job, but I will not try to run from the house and the bedroom will be the safe spot for us.