Student gets fined by school for going hunting

[Andy L]

My son was doing things last year in 5th grade that we didnt do until probably 7th grade. Its like they are pushing them hard.

And sports, oh my gosh. I was so mad the first time my son played basketball, 3rd grade I think. That guy running it acted like it was NCAA tryouts. I just couldnt believe it. Finally a local church started a league and actually let kids develop. Its booming and the hitler school program has died. I love it.

There are alot more things than school and sports to raising a productive and intelligent kid. I wish the "officials" would realize that. I think alot of it has to do with their own compitition for money based on student performance. MAP testing, I believe its called is just one of the things. It has no bearing on their grades. Has nothing to do with education. Just a competition to see how the school as a whole is doing compared to other schools. Hidden agendas shouldnt be having a bearing on how our children are raised.

I dont care what they think or do. My children are going to have a well rounded upbringing. Thats going to include outside school hunting, fishing and educational trips. If that means missing a bit of school here and there, well, so be it.

Andy

[Purebred Redneck]

MAP testing, as it is explained to me - rather as it has forced down my throat, is that it has nothing to do with funding. Whether it's true, I don't know for sure.
It's suppost to be a test for accredidation. If the school does not show progress, the school may not be accredidited. It's the difference between a Harvard degree and one from buyyourdegreeonline.com

Only problem is you can't compare one class to a prevouis year's class. You can have a couple years of good kids followed by a couple years of retards - and you can lose your job because of it.
And of course you can't teach your subject and then take the MAP test - you have to teach the terminology and example questions of the MAP test. Spend 20 minutes a day telling students what the definition of assess, evaluate, etc instead of doing something productive.


And the president wants a test that you have to pass to pass high school. Come on, that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
Many colleges are government funded and you don't see them giving out senior exit tests.
I took a test in order to get a teaching licence based on all the social studies classes I took in college. I'm taking the test and thought "**** I never heard of this. A A B D haven't used C in a while - CCC"

[Allen]

Home schoolers dont have this problem.

Allen

[Andy L]

BS. I gurantee if you follow the MAP testing far enough down the line, there is cash involved.

I agree Allen. I would love to homeschool my kids. Its just not feasible for us right now. I guess we could make some drastic changes and pull it off, but cant at the moment.

The only problem I see with homeschooling is the lack of being around other kids. I know that our schools are partly a big cess pool where kids learn about drugs, sex and violence. But its also where they learn about relationships and how to interact with others socially. Right or wrong. Thats the only thing I can see wrong with home schooling.

I have a friend who home schooled his two boys. It came out 50-50. One is a great guy. Has a great job. Married with a kid of his own now. Couldnt ask for anything better. The other was trouble the whole time he was home schooling. Wanting to be with other kids. When he got the chance to, it was the wrong ones. He wanted to be "cool". Hes been in and out of jail and pretty much a meth head.

Im not saying he wouldnt have turned out the same way in public school. Just my experience that it doesnt always work exactly right to home school. They still find a way to get to the bad stuff.

Andy

[Skinny Shooter]

Originally posted by Andy L
The only problem I see with homeschooling is the lack of being around other kids. I know that our schools are partly a big cess pool where kids learn about drugs, sex and violence. But its also where they learn about relationships and how to interact with others socially. Right or wrong. Thats the only thing I can see wrong with home schooling.

Used to feel the same way Andy.
The more folks I got know around these parts who actually home-schooled opened my eyes to what really goes on.
Those HS'd kids would get together quite often for "school-type" activities beyond the instruction in the home. And it's not like they're locked up in the house 24/7. Those kids have penty of "after-school" activities to do around other people.


Now if only school vouchers would be available so a person could spend their OWN valuable tax dollars as they see fit. Not the governments money but their own money. In fact, they shouldn't have to pay it in in the first place for this type of use.

[Andy L]

Skinny,
That would be great, if it worked out. Im afraid in our case, it would be harder. I dont know of anyone around here that home schools to get the kids together. My oldest is getting ready to start 6th grade and he already has friends, so that wouldnt be as bad. My youngest is ready for Kindergarten. He wouldnt know any of the local kids. I live in the brush. Its not like there are kids around the neighborhood either. I guess there are always church functions and such.

I know my friend in the example above had trouble with that. They live outside a small farmtown, kinda like we do in Kansas. He basically said the same thing I was concerned about.

Are you home schooling? Like I said, we have talked alot about it. I just cant do it. Not with the job I have now. Cant guarantee I can be anywhere at any certain time. Gotta leave on a moments notice to make a living. My wife cant do it either. We could make it without her income easily enough, but she has great insurance through work and we cannot afford to lose that with my back problems and some other problems we have. I told her a long time ago she could quit work if we could get insurance somewhere at even double the price she pays now. We cant do it. Thats another rant.

Andy

[fabsroman]

Don't get me started about health insurance. Then again, we all want to live forever, so we have to pay for the medical advances in technology. What a lot of us do not understand is that most medical companies/drug companies spend a ton in R&D. The machines and drugs do not cost a lot to make, just a ton to invent.

[Allen]

Andy,
9 years ago I did not think home schooling was good either. The only one I knew that home schooled had a kid that was out of control. My wife was leaving a job that we felt was bad for our family and I got a promotion at work that I was not expecting. This freed up my wife to stay home with no lose of money. I understand the insurance problem, but I carried the coverage with my job. Insurance is a racket run by crooked companies but that another topic for another thread.

If you were to check around you would be surprised at the number of people that home school. Ask around at churches and you find them and there are groups that organize events for them. These groups are called “coverings”. In some states they are required by law and in others you don’t have to be in one. Some are so large they are their own school system. They have all of the team sports, all of the field trips and a graduation at the end of each year. They just do their teaching at home. The only reason not to have your children “socialize” is if you want to hide them from the world. There is also city league sports.

The same amount of teaching that happens at a school can be done in three to four hours at home. This can be in the morning, in the evening, on weekends or on the road while on vacation. This is a big plus. You can go places during the school year and not have to fight the crowds.

We home schooled my daughter from the 5th grade through 12th in two states. We never had a problem with finding help and we think it was the right thing to do for our family. There are good and bad examples of people that home school. The bad ones are the nut cases that are shown on the evening news and called cults or the people who don’t properly teach their kids but pass them anyway. ( Wait a minute, that sounds like some public schools.) The good ones are the kids you don’t hear about, except for once a year when the national spelling contest come around. My wife and daughter traveled a lot during that time and she got to see and do so many things that other kids never will do.

If done right, home schooling is NOT easy or cheap. It did not cost as much as the private school that we sent her to for K4- 4th grade, but there is a good bit of money involved. There is a HUGH responsibility on the parents but mainly on the parent that will be the teacher. Most will be the mother but there are a few dads that stay home.

I have probably gone on too long with this reply but there are so many good things I can tell you about home schooling after doing it for 9 years. Don’t go into it blindly. Talk about it with each other. Find some home schoolers in your area, as many as possible, and talk to them. Pray about it a lot because it will change your life. If you go this route stick with, it will be worth the effort.

Allen

BTW My daughter just finished her first year of collage and did not have any problems.

[Valigator]

Man I cant believe this one....my kid has been out of school for years, I never had to deal with this...but my friends kids are mostly in private schools and pay some pretty big bucks for that...so the school doesnt mess with the parents too much...I think I told all of you about Vicky ...when we did the open house with her, one of her teachers had an entire wall filled with pictures of all of his hunts...but think back...the real nerds in school mostly graduated to become our childrens teachers and professors.....so while initially outraged by this thread, somehow it doesnt surprise me...but a fine...no way.......with what we all pay in school taxes I dont think so.......

[Skinny Shooter]

Hey Classic, how are you folks making out with this situation?

[Mickey Rat]

When my kids were in school, we expecterd A/B Honor Roll. When they were young, being able to exempt finals ment going to 6 Flags instead of school.

Later, as they got into Middle and High School, my wife kept up with sick days and total days allowed out. As long as grades stayed up, time could be taken off.

It worked for us. Both kids on Honor Roll and got scholarships.

I would visit the principal and in private that if this fine went forward that I would find him with my friend Lou (louiville Slugger, wood of course). If things didn't turn out to suit me I would follow thru. Never break a promise. Never make a promise that you don't keep.

It might not work out to suit me, but the next guy wouldn't have the same problem.

One of the problems today is that public figures think that they can do as they damn well want and you cand do s..t. Well, show them the light. If you don't take physical action, take legal action. Sue the bastard! It's you right. You don't have to have a reason. Just make one up and sue him. Money talks. Make it too expensive to fight. A suit aginst him personally, not the school or the local government, will make him have to respond with legal fees. He has violated the childs civil rights.

Enough trouble from concerned individuals will ruin his chances for promotion.

[AZZAFOX]

Classic Why dont you hit em with a subject called Conservation Biology. This was a core subject in my Diploma in natural resource mangemement, in laymans terms its the study of the interaction of Inaminate objects(Rocks=Geology) and living objects(Plant and animal). It also covers the interactions between animals
(Predator and Prey, Symbiotic relationships etc). Also it alks about Humans interaction with these different cycles and how those cycles can be altered with intervention etc. It also emphasises the importance of controlling pest animals for the conservation of native animals. The controll of weed species for the conservation and viability of native plants(Flora). Basicly terms the interaction of floran and fana too. knowing what a bear, deer or some other native animal eats is learn about interation in nature.

I hope this would help.

[Lilred]

7 absences, excused (which is doctor's note and/or WRITTEN note from home)and unexcused combined. If ya git any more than that..yer butt is in the pokey. Simple. Period. End of discussion.

So what winds up happenin? Ya send yer kid to school sick so the other kids can git sick, and then they can give it back to yer kid 2 weeks later. friggin ludicrous.

[AZZAFOX]

Sheesh I used to go hunting twice a year on a sick note from the doctor. But as a student who handed every assignment in, myteachers wouldnt give 2 hoots if I went interstate to hunt pigs and othe critters. The teachers recognised I needed to spend time with my father and also they saw it helped combat the ild depression I had onset in may last two years of highschool as the workload increased 2 fold.

In those last wo years I would take a fortnight off before the exams twice a year to study in a conducive environment and to hunt to clear away the cobwebs up top. I wasnt the only kid who did this.

[myEspringr]

Amzing .
geez most of my missed days in school were cause my dad took me hunting and when my kids get a little older you bet they will miss some school. when you think about it kinda is educational, how did our ancestor survive. gee coulda it be hunting and fishing. wow the more ithink about it that ticks me off.