The .270win:The perfect deer cartridge?

[model 70]

Like I said, I'm stubborn. I still think the .270win covers every type of deer hunting in any condition with any species of deer you will find, perfectly.

I can promise you the .270 with 22" barrel hits ALOT harder and shoot ALOT flatter than ANY 30-30win.

No heat from this guy btw.

[Rocky Raab]

Copy the cool, M-70.

Guys, it's really simple: EVERY cartridge out there is just peachy keen, cat's whiskers, dead nuts perfect - for somebody.

It might be affected by how they hunt or where they hunt or what else they hunt for. Or it might be because they're hunting with Grampaw's ol' shell-shucker.

Or just maybe because they once made a miracle shot with it. But THIS O'l Betsy and no other is the PERFECT deer rifle for him. And ain't no arguin' wit dat.

[Brithunter]

Hi royinidaho,

Thank you fro you kind comments, yes I am rather proud of the Medwell rifle, it's a one of a kind in the true way. I did not order it just picked it up when it came on the market and I would have liked to have brought it to the US last year with me but I was not able to get insurance to cover it. The makers gave me a quote to replace it and the insurance companies don't like it The load I am using is not at the top yet but the accuracy is so good I stopped right there, funny thing is I get the about same velocity with 150 grn flat point bullets as well just under 2800fps.

As for the BSA 270's well I have the odd ones the Std weight Majestic has a 24" barrel on it, the featherweight only weighs 6 1/4lbs and was made in 1959, the CF2 was made in 1984 and strangely has a slightly loser chamber than the older majestic, the CF2 was brought new. I have some chrongraph results from the Stutzen 20" barrel using RWS factory ammuntition, The results are over 5 shots. So the 270 does surpass the 30-30 even with my hopped up reloads.

173 grn H-Mantle loads average was 2563

130 grn T-Mantle loads average was 2996

I have not checked velocities with the longer barreled Majestic yet, I need to borrow the chrono first. Must get one of my own one day

For comparison the 30-30 gave an average of:-

2756 fps using the 130 grn bullets

2677 fps using the 150 grn bullets

Upon checking my reloading records I see this is when I was working up the loads and I have increased the powder charge a bit since then, but it still does not equal the 270's velocity of near 3,000fps.

Oh I noticed that I also checked out the 7x57 handloads the same day using the Hornady 139 grn BTSP bullets:-

and got an average of 2773 fps

Which again I have increased slightly to get over 2800fps.

Where I hunt here I have the chane of shots out past 300 yards, but I seem to get the real chances close up for some reason or another but I do agree that the 7x57mm is a great old timer which performs as well today as it ever as done. I have 4 rfles in 7x57, 3 of them are M93 Boer Mausers including this one:-


It's one of the rarer Boer Plezier rifles, I need to get the fore sight blade repaired as the bead has been broken off the fine blade. And yes I have shot it, in fact I brought some Remington 175 Grn bullets so I can load som e cartridges close to it's original loadings so it will shoot close to the sights. The other two are a long rifle and a carbine.

The 270 Win has a soft spot for me as it was my first rifle I purchased and I doubt I will let it go.

[Andy L]

BINGO Rocky!!

I got a ten year old boy that would argue all day long with you on this subject. Your not going to tell him that a 243 with an 80gr bullet is not perfect for deer. He has fired 4 shots in 4 years and killed 4 deer with it from 50-150 yards. To him, its the perfect deer rifle and you wont change his mind.

Same for alot of us. I happen to like alot of different guns. By doing so, I have learned just what I have been trying to say and Rocky just hammered home......

Andy

[model 70]

Does your son not know the ballistics of the .243 or something?

[Brithunter]

Hi Model 70,

Weeeeeeeell you could talk ballistics all day to that boy but you won't change his mind and not a lot will until some thing bad happens whilst Deer hunting and he loses one.

I pray that this will not happen and he will grow into other rifels/cartridges as his interest in shooting grows. All he needs to know about ballitics now is that when he aligns those sights correctly the Deer is his it does not matter how fast his bullet is going or what the BC is. It works and that's all he cares about right now, not a bad state of mind to be in I might say. The technical bods amongst us often confuse ourselves with too much data and then make a muck up of it the less to think about the less to go wrong at that point.


If you look at my chrono figures I have loaded the 7x57 so it's not far behind the 270 Win, the data for the 270 was with 130 grn bullets and the 7mm used 139 grn bullets. Less than 200 fps between them and I can load the 7mm some more for a higher velocity yet and close te gap some more. I wonder what the difference would be if I loaded them to equal pressures. The rifle is the same make and model so the strength is not an issue, brass is brass and 7mm cases are a good design after all the 30-06 is based on the 7mm

[Andy L]

Hes about ready to graduate after next year. His little brother will be ready to start and inherit the 243 Handi Rifle Youth and big brother will move up a bit. Into another "perfect deer cartridge".

I havent made my mind up yet on what to get him. I think Im going to get him something I have been wanting. A TC Encore. Probably with 25-06, 17Rem and 50cal blackpowder bbls. He can use it for both our deer seasons and coyote hunts. (May be two bought just alike, dad wants one too.... )

He dont know much about ballistics, more than you probably think he would for his age, as hes been around it alot.

For him, the 243 has been a perfect deer cartridge. Good for any kid I would think. I know alot of adults that swear by it too. I have killed several deer with mine too, but it seems to gather alot of dust anymore. Found others I like better for deer and coyotes. Still a fine round.

BTW, Brit, you are correct. He knows that if he sees a deer that dad says is in range and he lays that little rifle up on those sticks and puts those crosshairs behind the deers shoulder and holds it steady as he squeezes the trigger, the deer will go down and he is one happy camper. And dad gets a full body arm and leg hug.
Well, I did. I guess hes growing up. This year he got up and shook my head and said thanks, that is a nice deer.... My little boys growin up.

Andy

[Brithunter]

Hi Andy,

Have you thought about the .257 Roberts cartridge? seems a fine Deer cartridge in a more effecient compact package than the 25-06, velocity does not seems much difference in them. Or another favorite is the 6.5x55 Swedish cartridge, Boy there is a wide selection of bullets for the 6.5x55 and the Encore is available in this chambering. A fellow from another site uses one a lot and has great success with it. The 6.5 cartridge is fully capable of taking Moose and Elk cleanly with the 160 grn bullets

Have fun with your shopping

[Andy L]

Brit,
Yeah, Ive thought about it. Ive always kinda had a love affair with the 25-06. Its not much more than the 257, but a bit. We all have our preferences....

I have considered the 6.5x55 seriously. I have been exposed to them quite a bit and they are impressive. I agree stongly with that. After I wrote what I wrote above, I actually thought about that. I have a 25-06 and that 6.5 might be a nice addition.

Ive studied alot of cartridges I hadnt studied much before this thread. I have killed a deer with my buddies 280 Mountain Rifle once when I had some technical trouble with mine. It was very impressive and after studying ballistics on it closer, thats a real option. Awesome ballistics, velocity, trajectory, enery, bc, its got it all.

Decisions, decisons. I would bet that since I already have the 25, I will end up with either the 6.5x55 or 280.

I really do need some more deer rifles.

Andy

[model 70]

So we're all agreed?

[Brithunter]

Hi All,

Yes you can never have too many Deer rifles, I find just like candy, one is never enough

[Andy L]

agreed on what?

[model 70]

That the .270 is the perfect deer cartridge.

[Andy L]

Where did I say that??

[model 70]

Um...I read between the lines?