Time to Join H.E.T.A.!

[sniperp1]

Hello Everyone, Like most of you, I visit other hunting forums on the net. This is not about who's site is better than who's.. It's all of the recent discussion about banning hunting & helping our sport! A forum member on one of the other site's I visit came up w/the idea of H.E.T.A - Hunters for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. I know what your thinking.. WHAT?!

The idea is to build a web site to inform & educate the "Non-Hunters" & let the world know that hunting is a good thing! PETA & other groups are the only source of info for the non-hunting community & the info they get from these sites about us is incorrect at best.
We, as hunters, need to be heard & the truth about us needs to be told!

I have put together a quick "sample web site" & just wanted your opinion's/input on things that can be done to improve the site & make it more informative.
Just because we hunt doesn't mean we hate animals.. In fact, I'll bet most of the members here have at least one pet that they look at as a member of the family!

LET'S STOP COMPLAINING & DO SOMETHING!!
Thanks, Phil B.
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[Cal Sibley]

Hello sniperp1,

I admire your efforts and certainly the cause is worthy. However, you've got to consider what you're arguing with. Most groups like PETA are largely composed of women. You won't be able to get into an intelligent discussion, or push your point across. A typical response might be, "If you love animals why kill them? There's plenty of food in the supermarkets," or "You're setting a dreadfully bad example for our children." The sample responses could go on ad nausium. We could add thousands. These people won't listen to your side of the issue no matter how reasonably presented. I recall all the Viet Nam protests on campus. These kids were told by educated professors whom they wished to emulate that the war had to stop. They could easily recite the litany of what was wrong, but when you asked them what the solution was they were stumped and could only reply, "Stop the war!" I think the analogy is appropriate although we're talking humans vs animals. More power to you sniperp1, but I suspect you're beating your head against a wall. Best wishes.

Cal - Montreal

[sniperp1]

Cal Sibley, & every one else, Here is a little more info.

We are still getting things organized & trying to come up with a different/better name than HETA. I think it might cause some problems down the road with "other" groups!
Some people are worried about what we are trying to accomplish & how we are going to go about doing it w/o offending one side or the other. Well, we are doing our research & are walking very lightly at the moment! We need all the help & support that we can get! Something has to be done to help protect our sport!

It's not going to be just another "hunting" site, It will be about hunters educating the general public on how hunters feel about animal cruelty & teach them that hunting is not "cruel" & "inhumane" & that we, as hunter, view animal cruelty the same as everyone else.
Where do we draw the line, somewhere down the middle.. people need to know what hunters are all about & that it's NOT our mission to "kill" any & every thing that's not human. Peta & other groups have most of the general public thinking what we enjoy doing is WRONG & BAD & is no longer needed in this day & age. That is not true.. if we stop hunting, most of the animals that are here now will not be here tomorrow!
Phil B.

This site would be geared more to the neutral (non-hunting) community to inform & teach them. You see, the problem is w/the anti-hunting groups feeding everyone B-S & lies about hunting & hunters, they want everyone to think we kill just for "sport" & that's not true! They also want everyone to think we shoot everything that walks by, cat's, dog's ect. I'm tired of hearing it! They just don't like hunting & want it banned! No if &'s or buts!

Hunting IS ethical, starving "your pet" is not! That's what the site is about. YES, I HUNT.. BUT, I DO NOT ABUSE OR MISTREAT ANIMALS!
Phil B.

This is Quoted from the Chris, He is the one that suggested the idea of the group HETA. I just thought OK, So, I threw a "sample" web page together & posted it. I thought it was a great idea & now, we are working to get things rolling.

QUOTE
"Hi all. I just want to say when i originalyproposed forming a group named HETA, my intention was not to start another pro hunting site. There are enough of those and quite honestly, another one will get us nowhere. the group that I proposed would actualy be one whose main concern was animal rights. This theoretical organization would be called HETA, however, it would really have nothing to do with hunting other than the fact that it would give hunters a safe venue to do their part in stopping the cruel and needless suffering of animals. Period. Just by doing this, you will be sending a huge message to the non-hunting public that hey, we are not all just a bunch of gun toting, arrow flinging yahoos. We see whats going on and we want to help. It bothers us too. This new organization would offer the non hunting public a better alternative as well to utilize. A less extreme approach. Anotherwords, yes, we eat meat. Yes we eat wear leather. Yes we believe that it is necessary to do medical experimentation using animals to try and cure diseases. But we absolutely don't condone animal abuse such as beating animals with clubs, skinning them alive, torturing them, and so forth. We realize that there are homeless pets that need help. We want to help. I propose an animal rights organization that is more realistic to todays society than the over the top extreme groups that are present today. This whole thing has alot less to do with hunting than is being emphasized. I ask all of you not to do anything right now other than to discuss the theory. This would be an absolutely HUGE undertaking. It needs to be handled with EXTREME thought and strategy. I realize that it is a very exciting concept, but I beg you all not to act on it. To act prematurely could be disasterous. Just so you all know, i have contacted Buckmasters, and discussed this with them. The 'Higher ups" are currently discussing it. Buckmasters is an organization with the resources that can pull something of this magnitude off. Please be patient, but keep on talking about it. And remember, whatever you post right here may be being read by the man himself...Jackie Bushman! They have been watching these threads from the start, as soon as i realized that we were onto something big." END QUOTE.

I'll have more info for every one later.
Thanks, Phil B.
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[sniperp1]

I forgot to add this.

Is hunting for food a good way to save money on grocery bills?

Almost never. When all costs are considered (i.e., license fees, equipment, food, lodging and transportation), hunting is not an economical way to provide food. Statistics gathered by the University of Maryland's Extension Service revealed that hunters spent more than $51 million to kill 46,317 deer in Maryland in 1990, approximately $1,100 for each deer killed. Assuming that the meat of each deer killed was preserved and eaten, and that each deer provided 45 lbs. of meat, the cost of venison in 1990 in Maryland was $24.44 per pound. For most hunted animals, such as ducks, doves, rabbits, squirrels, and crows, among others, use for food is now minimal, and the expense of equipment far outweighs the value of any food that is obtained. For the vast majority of hunters, hunting is recreation, not a means of gathering food. END QUOTE.

I don't know about most of you but, I don't think I have spent $1,100 on hunting in the last 5-10 years combined.. let alone in a year! & 45 lbs of meat from ONE deer?! The last two deer I shot provided me w/75-100+ lbs of meat. OKAY, let's do some math.. My deer tags were $26.00, & I can take either a buck & doe or two doe's w/it. My hunting license was $13.00, Gas $25.00 Full tank. I hunt about 4-5 miles from home. I usualy get a deer on my first or second hunt. All other hunting gear I've had for several years, & I also butcher my own deer. Well, lets total everything up.. $64.00! Now, I want you to go to your local meat market & buy 100+ lbs of meat w/$64.. It also looks like I have $1036 left to spend fighting the anti's!

My point.. the Non-hunting community is being fed FALSE FACTS!
Later, Phil B.
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[Valigator]

Cal Cal.....I am not sure how to take the women comment....dont get me wrong I am not jumping that you might be bashing women.......but perhaps women are just the ones that need to be educated for no other reason than they do the brunt of raising children.....not so much showing them how to hunt and clean a gun....but their opinions are a vital part of the overall attitude of hunting....not sure where I am going with this.....but I think it could be a worthwhile effort....I mean if I hear one more time, "how can you kill those defenseless little birds" I think I'll go nuts.......

[iwerk2hard]

sniperp1
That sounds like a great idea. Sure, there will be some that you just can't reach, don't let that be slow you down. There are a lot more people than you think who would visit the site and learn something. If the information isn't available nobody will benefit, if it is there and even a few people see it it will be beneficial. I'm sure that more than just a few will visit, I'll do my part to help spread the word among my friends and family, and I'm sure that a lot of other members here and on other similar sites will too. We may be able to help you gather information, pictures, etc.. Keep us updated and don't give up, it's really a good idea.

[iwerk2hard]

How about H.E.A.T.?
Hunters for Ethical Animal Treatment.

[sniperp1]

iwerk2hard,
I Like It.. I'll see what every one thinks! I will let you guy's know, I'll keep every one updated as best I can on what is going on w/the web site & the "soon" to be new Pro-Hunting Animal Rights Group!.
Thank you all for your support.
Phil B.
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[DaMadman]

Originally posted by sniperp1
iwerk2hard,
I Like It.. I'll see what every one thinks! I will let you guy's know, I'll keep every one updated as best I can on what is going on w/the web site & the "soon" to be new Pro-Hunting Animal Rights Group!.
Thank you all for your support.
Phil B.

I personally think this just might be how the NRA and some other groups got started.

You gotta start somewhere.

If HETA or HEAT gets off the ground I would probably join. If it educates on Anti-gun/hunter and causes them to undestand the turth and the facts then it is worth some effort

[Slim-Zippy]

It's a good idea and over due in the political climate of conservatism that is beginning to take over our country. A little common sense and some enthusiasm just might make it work and maybe even bring new hunters into the sport as a bonus.

iwerk2hard that was a good name, HEAT.

[iwerk2hard]

If there's no information other than "Anti", how would anyone know any different? People with good ideas and good intentions MUST start to speak up, and the sooner the better. I don't have the smarts to post a picture in a reply and get it right, but I'll do my best to support anyone with the means to speak out in any political arena that I agree with, and this is one.

Go for it!!!

[gd357]

Phil,

It's a great idea to put together an organization like that. I think that there's enough misguided or bad organizations out there spreading false info that any organizations trying to promote honest and real-life info should be supported. Just let me know where to sign up.

gd357