dang it ;) 17remmy on the mind

[Evan03]

ive played some with the 17hmr and found i like the little bullets. i like little bullets going fast and shooting flat.

ive been wanting a rem lv sf, light weight varmit rig. but till now i didnt know what caliber id want to get it in. even as im typeing this im straying from the topick and the thought keeps going through my head that id want a 224 caliber for the hunting side of things.

grrrrr gota get back on track.

my question is. chances are i will not load for the caliber. i rarely reload for the 22/250 but do relod for the 2506 on more common acasions. i dont like it but i do like loading for the 250.

im curious what kinda velocities ill get out of the 20" barrel. its probly not even worth wondering about and the velocity loss more than likly wouldnt amount to much.

remington claims over 4000fps with both there facotry ammo loads pushed through a 24" barrel. ill do some more lookin to see how much facotry ammo is available. i realy do not want to reload.

the rifle would mainly be just for fun used to take varmits at long range 300yds or so. i wouoldnt be real worried about saveing hides. but might if i get into a coyote streek some winter like i did a few years ago. but mainly i want to red mist ground squrels and other small varmits from 50yds to 300 or so.

i looked at the balistics and its bought zero at 50 and 150, how cool is that. to zero at 250 it only moves it up 1" at 50yds then rises to 1.3"s at 100 then 1.7"s at 150, back down to 1.3"s at 200 then zerod at 250 with only 2.5"s of drop at 300. thats pretty dang flat.

thats what im pondering. imagine that me thinking aboiut another rifle before ive got all mine i have now glassed.

what do you think

Evan


just checked again and they have 22" barrel. ive got nothing to worry about. 2"s ill never even see.

ive found that only remington loads ammo for this caliber so with only 2 factory loads available this caliber might be one id want to shy from??

[JackRabbit]

I wouldn't Evan not with already having the 22-250.But then again maybe you could think of reloading for the 224 since not much to choose from.After all you can never own to many guns. Ken.

[Cal Sibley]

If you load for a .22-250Rem. you can get 4000fps with the 40gr. bullet, a little less with the 45gr. That is pretty close to the velocity you'll get with a .17Rem. and with a heavier bullet no less.
I have both calibers, and while I do like the .17Rem. it can be a fustrating litle bugger. It fouls quite a bit, and is more affected by the wind that the bullets of the .22-250. Anyway half the fun of a new rifle is in the selection process, enjoy! Best wishes.

Cal - Montreal

[Andy L]

Depends on the distance. At 100 yards, try it Cal. You will be surprised at which bullet is more affected by wind.

At longer ranges, 300+, your correct sir.

Andy

[Catfish]

Evan,
If you rember when I was out there acouple of years ago Spammy run a target out 480 some yrds. on the quad and I was shooting at it with a .17 Rem. in that real bad cross wind. I was holding 4 to 6 in. over the target and straight over the left edge to hit close to the middle of an 8 1/2 by 11 target. The .17 Rem. is probibly the best round on the market if your a hide hunter after youtes, but if you just want to kill them the 250 will do the same job.

[Evan03]

boy ohhhh boy sounds like even andy is tryn to talk me out of the 17 and i think catfish is hinting towards the same thought to.

so have you talked me out of the 17 and into the 223. the 223 seems to me to be the best next in line, contemplated the 204 again but i have no use for it. its good caliber but just didnt seem to fit me very well.

the 223 as 300 max range rifle in a fairly light weight design would be dream to pack around for all my varmiting needs.

if i wasnt trying to figure out how to pay for a scope right now id more than likly have the 223 orderd and on the way.

thanks for the all the help

Evan

[Andy L]

No, Im not trying to talk you out of it. Not by a long shot. Just depends on what you want to do.

I have shot them side by side with a 223AI. That little pill does drift less than the 224 at shorter distances. But, with the BC, it does run out of gas quicker at longer ranges.

For what I do with mine, you cant beat it. The only factory cartridge on the market that MIGHT be in the same league is the 204 and thats yet to be proved. But, what I do with mine, 100 yards is a long shot. 200 yards is very long. Logest kill I have made was just under 290.

I think Blaine has killed coyotes at very long ranges with a 17Rem, but I havent personally.

Again, its a fur gun. Its a specialty fur gun at that. It shines on called animals. If your shooting at called animals over 100 yards consistantly, you need to work on your calls and setups. (Other than possibly the sandhills or such areas,and still you should be able to get them closer.) But, if you wanna call coyotes, foxes, bobcats and maybe some other predators, kill them cleanly and have as little damage as possible to the fur, the 17 is king.

If you wanna truck gun to sling lead as far as you can see through a ten power scope, this aint it.

Thats my .02

Andy

[Evan03]

well i dunno bout the truck gun, kinda got that nich coverd a few times over now.

i want atleast one lightweight carry varmit(coyote) winter time rifle. the winter is when i seem to actualy get out and do some walking and try to call.

yeah the possibilty is there that i could come across a bobcat or somehow manage to call one in, along with fox to. mtn lion id say the 17 remmy is alittle small for. got a few of them roaming around here.

wethere intinial or not youve talked me out of the 17, you and the otheres. there just isnt anything the 223 cant handle and is better suited to my needs(wants) than the 17 ever could.

thanks again

Evan

[Andy L]

I wasnt trying to talk you in or out. Its not for everyone.

As for the mountain lion thing, again its relevent. I know of more than a few called lions that have died from a 25gr Berger bullet, and I would be willing to bet they couldnt tell you if it were a 17 or 223 that turned their lights out.

Anyway, good luck with whatever, just giving my opinion, thats all.

Andy

[Catfish]

Evan,
I wasn`t trying to talk you out of the .17 Rem. eather. If you are going to get a new gun I would take the .17 Rem. hands down over the .223. They both do about the same thing, but the .17 Rem. will do it alot farther out. If you rember the little .17 Ackley Hornet I was carring when I was out there, I would put it up against the .223 for killing range and the .17 Rem. is far better than the .17 AH. There is nothing wrong with the .223, but the .22-250 or the .17 Rem. will do the same job 75 to 100 yrds. farther. I`ve got all of them, so which do I carry? Most of the time none, a .222 Rem. Contender handgun with a 12 in barrel. All of the above will do the same thing it will at far greater distances, but it does what I need and it the lightest I`ve got that does what I need done.

[Evan03]

i was leaning on the 223 as i posted this thread, i may have wanted you guys to talk me into it. part of me says try mainly because its difrent and cool. chances are might just happen to give reloading it a go. i seem to reload all the calibers i have atleast a few times to see what kinda acuracy i can get. so im not exackly dead set on shooting facotry ammo. thats just what id prefer if it shoots good enough for me.

so far ive tried the 22/250 220 and 204. the 22/250 has been what ive kinda settled on as far as a heavy varmit rifle goes.

these are the calibers the remmys light weight varmit are offerd in.

17rem, 204, 221 fireball,223 and 22/250. all the calibers in the rifle intrest me exscept for the 22/250. i tried one in a 22' barrel durger awhile back with mixed results.

i dunno i may have just tried the 204 in the wrong rifle for my tastes, the rem adl just didnt have any bling to it. but it was a fun caliber, worthy of another chance.

i just dont know chances are sometime ill end up giving the 17rem a try but i dont know that its gona happen with my next rifle purchase.

Evan

[Andy L]

I turned down a 204 in 700ADL not too long ago, cheap.

I want one, but after handling three, I want the CZ American. Not the Varmint, the 527 American.

Im not trying to talk you either way. Dont care whatcha get.....

Andy

[Evan03]

Andy

im just thinking outloud and lookin for some feedback.

im one of those guys that would like to try every caliber out there atleast ounce.

the 2506 is cut and dried gota have caliber. most others arent. ive always had hard time figureing out what i want in varmit small game rifle. ive gone through way more 224 and smaller centerfires that its not funny. and ive only had a few bigger than the 224s that i havent kept.

Evan

[Catfish]

Evan,
If your looking for a lite carrey gun your going to have to get yourself a Contender frame in a carbine. For abt $200 you can put another barrel on it. Them won`t take the larger rifle rounds, but .222, .223, .17 rem. or .204 will all work. I`ve got a .17-223 barrel for a Contender I`m not useing if you want to give that a try. It`s abt. the same as the .17 Rem. I still think that the .204 is probibly your best choice if you get it in the right gun. BUT, then again, there really isn`t all that much difference in the preformance of any of these round, and for a carry gun all will work well if you like the feel of the gun.

[Evan03]

Catfish

i like the contendor or am i thinking encore. the g-2 that can shoot rimfire or centerfire. maybe its C-2

ive always thought i wanted one but havent ever got one. there about as much as bolt action ruger if not more so i havent been jumpin on them yet.

the rem lv sf is 6lb something with semi heavy 22" barrel

the contender is about that with a heavy 24" barrel
hmmmm


Evan