what bullet?

[ghost stalker]

i have a tikka T3 lite in 300win mag and shoot factory ammo. i'll be hunting elk and moose in excess of 1000lbs. i want knock-down power. penetration and damage. i'm shooting remington premier accutips in 180gr. any better options for me?
thanks.

[Rocky Raab]

I'll assume you stick to factory ammo.

Winchester Fail Safes are indisputedly the toughest bullet out there today.

All the ammo makers have a Premium line with superb big game bullets. You could choose loads with Nosler Partitions, Barnes X, Bear Claws or one of the new bonded designs.

Shoot nothing lighter than 180 grains, and 200 would be better.

I'm not familiar with Remmy Accu-Tips, but from the name, I suspect they're more of a target bullet than a big game design. If so, they are NOT a good choice.

[Evan03]

the acubond is actualy a good bullet. its nolser 180gr 308 cal with a bonded core to retain as much mass as posible with plastick tip to initiat exspansion. man i read to much

if this shoots better than other ammo then id stay there.

is the 300win a new rifle to you. how about hunting elk and moose

most elk your going to shoot dont weigh 1000lbs or even close to it.

moose on the other hand do weigh quite alot more and a re a bigger critter. if i were to moose hunt i think id try barnes triple shocks in 180 to 220gr and pick the weight that shoots best.

another option would be nolser partition, but theyd be my last option because ive found that most my rifles prefer a difrent bullet. the partition just hasnt seemed to shoot near as well as id like.

good luck finding a bullet and something to shoot

Evan

[Evan03]

http://www.nosler.com/videos/accubond.mov
http://www.nosler.com/videos/bt.mov


now that you got me thinking, im going to give nosler 180gr standerd balistic tip a try in the 3006, heck the 165s are gona fly to. ive found the .277 140gr baliastic tips to work well so im gona give the same try in the 3006.

may also try the acubonds if the reg bts dont shoot like i like, but ive always been able to get the bts to shoot.

the acubond is defiantly the better choice iun balistic tip when elk sized game are envolved.

Evan

[ghost stalker]

thanks rocky and evan. yes i will be shooting factory and no moose and elk are not new to me and (i know this is gonna stir up the flames) but moose- well in excess of 1000lbs. i shot one 4 yrs ago and after guts=20%, hide=5-10%, head=5-10% and the legs and ribs were cut back as much as we could the moose weighed 701lbs on the hook. do the consevitave math and you get in the neighborhood of 1500lbs live weight. and as for elk a good bull can go 1000lbs easy. this aint texas, the average WT weighed in excess of 300lbs live weight.and they were 140" class bucks not biggin's. how do the bear claws preform? are they any better than the failsafes?

[Rocky Raab]

The Trophy Bonded Bear Claw was one of the original bonded bullets. It used a lead core soldered to a very thick, very soft copper jacket (actually made of soft copper plumbing tube). It was a superb bullet.

In recent years, Speer bought all rights to the bullet, which is now called just the Bear Claw. It isn't exactly the same bullet, using harder standard jacket material, but it's still good to very good. I think you can get it in Speer Nitrex ammo.

Fail Safe is a hard bullet to better. It's sort of a hybrid of the Barnes X (solid copper nose with a hollow cavity) and the Nosler Partition (lead rear core locked inside a steel "capsule" to prevent deforming). Best of both, they say, and they may be right.

I'd try Fail Safes or Barnes all-copper bullets and shoot the one your gun likes best.

Evan, I think GH said he's shooting "AccuTIP" bullets. Maybe that's the same as AccuBOND, but I'm not aware that Remmy loads any Nosler bullets in their ammo.

[Evan03]

i dunno i thought remington changed the name so it kinda sounds like theyre own, i just always assumed it was the acubond.

i wonder if its hornadys interbond??

[rem 700]

Failsafe is a good moose cartridge, but I'd rather have your current accutips for elk.

[Rocky Raab]

I found this. It doesn't say, but I'd bet that the Accutip is a Remington design.

"The Premier AccuTip bullet hits the mark with match grade precision and extremely flat trajectory. These performance characteristics, coupled with the superior down-range energy, make it a perfect choice for medium-size big game such as whitetail, mule deer and antelope."

Based on that description, it may not be an elk bullet.

[ghost stalker]

i used them in my 280rem last season and they did a real number on 300lb WTs but i hit and lost 2 bull elk. thats part of the reason i moved up. i know that bullet placement is key but the way my luck seems to go they rarely stand quartering away at 15yds for enough time to judge size and distance and take a benchrest aim.
plus this year i plan on a monster moose(stay tunned for november updates).

[M.T. Pockets]

I shoot a .300 Win Mag. with factory ammo. I'm sure I've tried over a dozen different loads over the last 10 years. I'm currently shooting 180 grain Fail Safe factory loads. My rifle groups them around 1" or a little better, I've used them on elk and have had 3 rounds make 3 nice exit holes, one of them front to back. I've asked several elk outfitters what bullet they recommend and most will say Failsafe, not that others are bad, just that they thought Failsafes killed the most efficiently, and were most apt to leave an exit wound for trailing.

Another absolutely devestating factory round in .300 Win. Mag. is the Federal Premium "High Energy" load with 200 grain Noslers. I've gotten exit holes on elk & caribou with these too and you can imagine the devestation that bullet does. They shoot about as flat as the 180 loads in other rounds, I don't know how Federal does it. They do pack bit more recoil but there's no free lunch.

I would also try the factory load from Remington that uses 200 grain Swift A-Frames. Similar design to Nosler but tougher I understand.

I tried Barnes X bullets that PMC used to load, my rifle didn't like them. There's a lot of good choices out there, I think the premium bullets are worth the extra $$ when you're looking at elk & moose.

[Evan03]

remington does not make bullets and the accutip is hornady bullet.

i know this because remington calls theyre 17hmr ammo accutip aswell. this is from the remington website.

"Our Premier Gold Box Rimfire ammunition features sleek AccuTip-V™ bullets available in either 17 HMR or 22 Win Mag"

so the remington 180gr accutips are im pretty sure nothing more than big balistic tip designed for hunting.