random urine test

[jon lynn]

A friend sent me this in an e-mail, and I think it's an idea.

Like a lot of people, I have a job. I work, they pay me.
I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as they see fit. In order to get that paycheck,
I am required to pass a random urine test, which I have no problem with.
What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who don't have to pass a urine test.
Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare check, because I have to pass one to earn it for them?
Please understand, I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet.
I do, on the other hand, have a problem with helping someone sit on their butt.
Could you imagine how much money the state would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a public assistance check.

[Andy L]

I got that email a while back. Im all for it.

I think welfare, disability and any other government checks should be handed out personally at a local office on certain days to spread them out thru the month. And, if you receive a taxpayers hard earned cash, you should pee in a cup and have it instantly analyzed before you can get your check. Pee dirty, no soup for you. And Im talkin alcohol and tobacco as well. If you have a controlled substance in your blood, you better produce a script and reason. And to top it off, a hair folical test should be done every three months or so. That can show traces of stuff you might hide on the monthly urine.

I honestly wish this would happen. It would no doubt cut back on alot of problems. And, hey, it would create some more jobs if it were privatized like alot of the OCCS and other private probation offices are now.

I know alot of counties in MO now, when you bond someone on a drug charge, a condition of their bond is they report to a private (OCCS) pre trial probation and pee once a week until your proven guilty. Dirty pee, bond revoked. I would assume it also helps prove guilt, not to mention deters abuse.

Theres no reason private offices cant be set up to take the load off the government and taxpayers to curb drug abusers from getting government cheese.

[fabsroman]

Andy,

I agree with you completely. The clean pee thing is a condition of most pre-release in Maryland and the District of Columbia, and not just for drug charges. I had a client in Maryland that was charged with 4 counts of 2nd degree assault and a condition of his pre-release was drug testing. Same thing for a guy charged with assault and staulking in DC. A Civil Protection Order ("CPO")was also entered against the guy in DC and he had to continue through the pee tests until the end of the one year CPO.

Personally, I think a lot of the problems in this country stem from drugs, alcohol, and tobacco. Tobacco is obviously a health issue, but the other two cause violent crime issues.

[Andy L]

We agree? Wow!

The pre trial probation thing makes some more work for us, but also more money too. If someone pees dirty, we get an order to revoke the bond, so we got to find them and haul them in. After sitting for a while, normally another bond is set and we bond them again.

Kind of a double edged sword. But if the defendants followed the conditions of their bond, they wouldnt be in that position. So the extra cost and jail time is self inflicted.

Ive noticed that alot of them, if they are addicted to something that causes severe withdrawals, after being in the system, will check into a detox and treatment center to ease the pain. If they are smart, they will get cleaned out and it makes the system worthwile for everyone. Society included.

[Dan Morris]

Wall.... I have to submit to random ones to get a paycheck to donate money to support this bunch..................why not share.........
OK by me
Dan

[wrenchman]

I have to do randoms in my job a lot i like it i get to sit watch tv till they call my name pee in a cup watch them seal it and i get paid the hole time.
I worked with a guy that was out on bail for dui and drugs he had a plea in and going to get probation when he showed up to court they checked for both he failed.
The best part is when he gof fired he blamed every one but his self.

[fabsroman]

Yep, that is today's society. Everybody wants to blame somebody else for what they failed to do.

[Classicvette63]

I have a problem with peeing in a cup for a job to begin with. If you want to have a breathalyzer or some other drug testing apparatus at the time clock, that's fine. But what I do on my own time is nobody elses fricking business. You wanna have a say in what I do 24/7, then you better pay me for 24/7.

[wrenchman]

classic i yous to feal the same way but after i did my job for a while i seen the drug addicts and drunks working on trucks and driveing them i feal a hole lot differint.
Before the random drug tests and C.D.L lows i know of drivers that yous to drive with beer sitting in the seat next to them.
mehanics were worse lots couldnt hold a lic to drive becouse of d.u.i and drugs were a every day problim.
The best thing i could say is would you want some one that is drunk or a strung out crack head risking your childs life becouse that is what happens when they work on trucks or drive them.

[fabsroman]

If I'm an employer and a potential employee has a problem with passing a drug test or taking a drug test, I think I would prefer the next candidate anyway. Remember, unless you are one of a kind, employers usually have a bunch of additional applicants other than just you.

[BILLY D.]

Originally posted by Classicvette63
I have a problem with peeing in a cup for a job to begin with. If you want to have a breathalyzer or some other drug testing apparatus at the time clock, that's fine. But what I do on my own time is nobody elses fricking business. You wanna have a say in what I do 24/7, then you better pay me for 24/7.

Would you care to discuss the crack head mechanic that just worked on the aircraft you and your family are getting ready to board for a cross country flight?

Doesn't that give you a warm fuzzy? But why should you care, they didn't pay him 24/7 either. Sure hope your aircraft doesn't go down in flames because he missed something on the checklist because he was under the influence.

But your a libertarian and they didn't pay him 24/7 so you don't give a rats rump because he was off duty when he got high.

Sell your BS to somebody else. I heard those limp excuses when I was in the military. What I do on my own time is my business. Like hell it is. When it affects other people and their lives, it becomes the general publics business.

Bill

[Classicvette63]

Billy, I never said they should be under the influence at work. Quite the contrary, I said I would have no problem with a breathalyzer or drug tester at the time clock.

[Andy L]

Honestly, I would have no problem with someone that uses alcohol or short term drugs on their own time. As long as they are wroking and not doing it on my dime, like welfare. Problem is with the hard drugs. Meth and Cocaine (in whichever form) addicts. If they use at night, they are most likely going to be up most of the night and most likely going to be using before and maybe at work. If not, they will be coming down and hung over or jonsing so bad they wont be able to function.

This isnt speculation, Ive seen it.

Never the less, if I ran a business where my employees could put someone at danger and therefore up my liability, I would definitly have drug testing. As it is, our workers are contract agents. And in our line of work, they would be fools to go to the booking room of the jail to write a bond under the influence. It kinda takes care of itself.

I can understand someone that owns a factory or a trucking company or whatever wanting drug testing. What you do on your off time IS their business if its going to affect your work as well.

[Duffy]

Originally posted by Andy L
I got that email a while back. Im all for it.

I think welfare, disability and any other government checks should be handed out personally at a local office on certain days to spread them out thru the month. And, if you receive a taxpayers hard earned cash, you should pee in a cup and have it instantly analyzed before you can get your check. Pee dirty, no soup for you. And Im talkin alcohol and tobacco as well. If you have a controlled substance in your blood, you better produce a script and reason. And to top it off, a hair folical test should be done every three months or so. That can show traces of stuff you might hide on the monthly urine.

I honestly wish this would happen. It would no doubt cut back on alot of problems. And, hey, it would create some more jobs if it were privatized like alot of the OCCS and other private probation offices are now.

I know alot of counties in MO now, when you bond someone on a drug charge, a condition of their bond is they report to a private (OCCS) pre trial probation and pee once a week until your proven guilty. Dirty pee, bond revoked. I would assume it also helps prove guilt, not to mention deters abuse.

Theres no reason private offices cant be set up to take the load off the government and taxpayers to curb drug abusers from getting government cheese.

Amen!

[Wolvie]

I dont agree on the tabacco part that Andy had included in his reply post.
DRUGS and alcohol yes,..NOT cigarettes.
I smoke and I have had enough invasions on my free life to do so .
I pay alot of taxes to enjoy my life endangering habit.
So now I pay for it twice,..but testing on it is a no way fer me,..

But the welfare bums and and lazy asses out there collecting that welfare should take a monthly and as what was said a hiar folical test.
Because in my eyes if they can afford drugs and beer and wine and whiskey ,..then they dont need assitance.

I hope I didnt ruffle any feathers,..but lets leave cigarettes alone for awhile ,..lolol.


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