CCW State to State

Andy L · #1 01-07-2005, 02:29 PM

Why is it that some states honor and some dont? For instance, Missouri honors TX, but TX not MO? There are alot of states that way. Dont make sense. Anyone know if there is anything in the works to make more states honor each other?

Of course, Illinois doenst let their people carry or anyone in it. Thats the only state in the union that comes close to being as screwed up law wise as California.....

Andy

gregarat · #2 01-07-2005, 08:50 PM

My guess is that, TX. Might have more lenient Handgun laws than MO.?

The whole thing really ticks me off.
I have to pay to have 5 handguns shipped from a FFL holder in N.Y., to a FFL holder in Florida

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At least I will actually have rights. Maybe I could be granted U.S. citizenship now!

Don’t tell Hillary I defected... yet

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Andy L · #3 01-10-2005, 12:48 AM

Well, I took my CCW class today. It was pretty fun. Should be licensed in the next week or so.

The instructor answered my question, if anyone is interested. Its in the wording of the Missouri requirements. The law states, that after a person takes the course, presents it to the sheriff of the county, gets fingerprinted and background, sent off to the State Patrol and FBI, if the Sheriff doesnt have an answer back from the agencys within 45 days, he MUST issue the permit.

Seems alot of the other states have a problem with this. Maybe a felon may get lucky and get the paperwork lost and get a permit.

Good news is, that after 12 long years of Democrap tyranny rule, we now have a Republican governor being sworn in tomorrow, that vows to correct this problem in the wording pronto.

Hope he lives up to his word. Then we could carry virtually anywhere. Virtually. You always have Nazi states like Illinois, New York and California, to name a few.....

Andy

Skinny Shooter · #4 01-10-2005, 09:55 AM

Andy, I think the reciprocity issue with CCW will always be an issue. Especially since it's left to the States to recognize.
Wouldn't it be interesting if the States controlled the Media (or the rest of the Bill of Rights) in much the same way they control CCW? (not that I'm advocating it)
That way we might be protected from reckless and irresponsible reporters.

VinVega · #5 01-10-2005, 12:01 PM

Skinny-
The thing is, there's no tampering with the First Amendment, so no state will even attempt to make rules against it. The only amendment the Supreme Court will not fully back IS the Second. I just can't for the life of me understand what the problem is there. Now I completely understand them backing the rest, I really do. I just don't get why they won't say that the Second is equally (if not more) important.

Skinny Shooter · #6 01-10-2005, 12:48 PM

It's interesting that more people will fight for the 1st Amend and not the 2nd.
If and/or when the flag ever drops, the "sword" will most assuredly devour the "pen".

Or maybe because guns in the hands of peasants are a threat to the structured powerbase that greedy men and women have propagated for themselves for TOO long...

As Hillary said it the other day during the electoral vote ratification. She mentioned these words at one point during her speech "...the consent of the governed"...
What does she know about the governed and their consent

Now I'm really going off-track. Sorry Andy.
I mentioned in a thread back in Fall that while on an overnite trip to Chesapeake City in Maryland we crossed the not very well marked state line and still had my 1911 loaded and on my person. After realizing where we were, I felt like I did something wrong (ashamed) and then I got pissed. Both at myself for being made to feel like a criminal and the State of Maryland for being backward. Substitute other descriptive words there as you like...
Allen

Adam Helmer · #7 01-11-2005, 10:14 AM

Andy & Skinny,

The Constitution very clearly addresses reciprocity in Article IV, Section 1: "Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State..."

Ok, so when you drive across many states on vacation, your driver's license from your home state is recognized in all other states. Also, your marriage license, dog license, etc. are also recognized. Ok, so why not your CCW license? Your divorce, criminal record, and all that stuff is recognized state-to-state, BUT not your CCW.

I doubt the Supreme Court will do its duty and say "CCWs are reciprocal" per Article IV, Section 1 of the U. S. Constitution.

Adam

Critch · #8 01-14-2005, 09:42 AM

I have talked with my state reps and senators regarding the recipocity thing. All of them have assured me that the new Governor will put forth a great effort to get as much recipocity as possible. Most of it is just a paperwork thing, think treaty, between two sovereign states.

Texas is strange, they don't recognize Missouri because we must issue, but they recognise Utah who does the background check after issueing the license.

I understand that Arkansas and Missouri have already started talking. .

gregarat · #9 01-14-2005, 02:52 PM

I was just geting an estimate to have the stuff at my apartment moved to Florida.
When doing the walk through the agent told me that they couldnt put my ammo on their truck, but they can transport my "long guns".
When I asked how I am supose to get my ammo to Florida? He responded that I could drive it down myself.

Whats the deal?

DaMadman · #10 01-25-2005, 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gregarat
I was just geting an estimate to have the stuff at my apartment moved to Florida.
When doing the walk through the agent told me that they couldnt put my ammo on their truck, but they can transport my "long guns".
When I asked how I am supose to get my ammo to Florida? He responded that I could drive it down myself.

Whats the deal?

Hazardous material. Even places like cheaper than dirt charge hazardus material shipping charges for ammo

DaMadman · #11 01-25-2005, 03:15 PM

Hide the ammo in a locked trunk and dont tell them it is there

gregarat · #12 01-25-2005, 06:01 PM

Madman,
What If I bring the ammo in my truck? Could I get a HazMat charge?

Hawkeye6 · #13 02-01-2005, 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by gregarat
Madman,
What If I bring the ammo in my truck? Could I get a HazMat charge?

Probably not. But it may depend, or course, on how much you are talking about!

Just curious, above, you mentioned having to pay to have your handguns shipped form one ffl to another (I assume when you move). Why would you do that? I would just move them myself if I were you. I presume that you are driving from what you said above. Where do you see a problem with transproting them from NY to FL in your own vehicle?

gregarat · #14 02-01-2005, 12:28 PM

Hawkeye,
My N.Y.S license wouldnt be honored in many of the states I am driving through. If caught in one of these states, Im in deep doo doo.

I have nightmares about inbreed backwater cops seeing my New York plates, then having a new set of handguns to added to their colection . I also hear other stories...............

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Im only kidding yall, I gota get some ribbin in before I move

Adam Helmer · #15 02-02-2005, 07:58 AM

gregarat,

You may legally transport your handguns to Florida under the 1986 Federal Volkmer-McClure Act. That law says that if you legally own firearms in your state, you may transport them interstate without hinderance of any state's laws you drive through. Now, be sure the guns are unloaded and in a locked container like a footlocker for your handguns and put the container in your car trunk. I would not advertise the fact I had guns because some cops make up their own rules. Also, keep travelling and do not stop off for a month at a buddy's house enroute. As for your ammo, put that in a box or container and drive on. If you transport more than 25 pounds of Black Powder in one vehicle, you may come under DOT regs. Hope this helps.

Adam