What should be eligible for the death penalty?

Classicvette63 · #1 08-04-2005, 06:58 PM

Besides murder and treason, what should be eligible? There are two other "activities" that I think should be eligible.

Cloning or attempting to clone should be a capital offense. That would be the only deterrent. Too much down side and not nearly enough upside to even think about cloning. Just because humans are smart enough to do it doesn't mean they are smart enough to deal with it. Rich folks would abuse it and the average guy would suffer for it.

Time travel. Althought he stuff of science fiction, you know there are people working on it. Sure everyone wishes they could back and change something but we can't nor should we be able to. If anyone were able to create a "time machine" they would control the world, literally. How much power would a person have if they could say, go back to 1943 and give the nazi's plans for jet airplanes or even a nuclear bomb?

Thoughts?

Virginiashadow · #2 08-04-2005, 09:41 PM

Since time travel is impossible because nothing can move as fast as a photon, I would say that is out. Cloning is weird as hell and I wish noone would do it.

vashadow

Darkwolf · #3 08-05-2005, 03:53 AM

How about those morons who feel an absolute crushing need to note spelling errors or leave personal comments written in library books?

Andy L · #4 08-05-2005, 09:11 AM

Anything that could also render a sentence of more than, say, 20 years. Murder, treason, rape, child molestation, kidnapping, some drug offenses (repeat), alot of things.

My honest feeling on the subject is, if a person is deemed by society, by way of the judicial system, unfit to walk among us, he or she should be put to death. I see no reason on this earth, and I doubt anyone can come up with a reason that would change my mind, why someone should spend life in prison. Whats that going to accomplish? Not a damn thing but soaking each of us for money to feed and house him and to keep gaurd on him 24hrs a day. Thats all. Kill the person and get it over with. Some say its more punishment. BS. The final days counting down, the walk to the death chamber, the final moments when you know, this is it. Thats gotta be horrifying punishment. Public hanging is still the perferred method, IMO. Get some deterrent out of it too as well as the person getting their due by the anxiety, followed by death.

But, we cant do that. We are too sterile of a society. Too thin skinned. I think a person should get a good, deliberate trial. Make sure they are guilty. No appeals to follow. Get it right the first time. If your guilty, hanging within the week.

To answer your question, anything that carries a sentence currently of more than 20 years, hard years, not do five and out on parole. Like a guy I have bonded many times and went to K-12 school with as well. Habitual repeat offender of cooking large quantities of meth and dealing stolen guns. And, to make matters worse, he had high school kids selling this stuff for him, along with adults. And this is not big city folks, were talkin towns of 5000 or less, two of them less than 1000. Anyway, he has been busted over and over again, laughs at the cops and was recently found guilty in Federal court and got 40 years, plus one day, without parole. He will be 80 when he gets out. He has obviously been found unfit for society. Why should our money keep him alive, healthy and comfortable so he can most likely die in jail, and if not, shortly after being released and most likely drawing more of our tax dollars to live out the rest of his life. No sense in it.

Im done ranting now. This is a big subject for me though.

Andy

GoodOlBoy · #5 08-05-2005, 12:02 PM

Anybody who molests, rapes, or murders a woman or child should be hung in a crows cage in the town square to rot.

GoodOlBoy

fabsroman · #6 08-05-2005, 12:45 PM

So, GOB, murdering a man is fine and good, but once it involves women and children they should get the death sentence? I am willing to bet that you merely overlooked men in that statement.

The death sentence is always a good debate. I am all for it, but I do not know about appying it to cloning or time travel. I don't like cloning, but I also don't think that scientists should be put to death. Hell, if that were the case, every scientist that deals with nuclear power should have been put to death.

As far as cloning goes, what happens if countries start to do it to create an army. Kind of like in Star Wars. Soldiers can be grown in batches and not have to worry about gestation, etc. What if China were to start doing it and send over a billion clone warriors in the future? What then? As always, these big issues aren't always cut and dry.

Personally, I think the death penalty should be reserved for violent crimes such as murder, rape, and molestation, and I also think it should apply to treason. I haven't really thought about applying it to drug dealers, but usually drug dealers commit some type of violent crime anyway or are at least associated with violent crime.

As far as time travel is concerned, I will assume that it is impossible and will be forever.

Virginiashadow · #7 08-05-2005, 01:04 PM

"Anybody who molests, rapes, or murders a woman or child should be hung in a crows cage in the town square to rot. "

I agree, and they should have their penis cut off before they are put in the cage.

vashadow

GoodOlBoy · #8 08-05-2005, 02:36 PM

Fabs what I mean is that all to often crimes of passion against women go unpunished.

Murder is murder, however I am sick to death of seeing rapists and child molesters going to jail for 5-10 then going free on parole.

As for men killing men, it all depends. Self defense, he needed killin', etc. . . . . .

GoodOlBoy

fabsroman · #9 08-05-2005, 04:14 PM

What if a man were to be raped by another man, or a woman raped a man at gun point? Would they be hung in the crow's cage too?

GoodOlBoy · #10 08-05-2005, 04:29 PM

Man on man yes, woman on man. . . . . I will say two things. One you can't rape the willing, and two (under the same heading)I don't know if I believe it is physically possible for a woman to rape a man, but if so then yes she should be hung in the crows cage as well.

GoodOlBoy

fabsroman · #11 08-05-2005, 05:51 PM

GOB,

Here is a pretty good column. It doesn't prove that a man can be raped, but it gives some food for thought.

http://www.rediff.com/news/2004/jan/21guest.htm

I'll send the rest of the examples to you via PM because they aren't family oriented. Not too sure that the above link is either, or the death penalty for that matter.

Valigator · #12 08-05-2005, 07:07 PM

Cant I clone my Huckelberry?PLEASE........

Valigator · #13 08-05-2005, 07:10 PM

this guy is still on death row....we cant kill the ones we have deemed unfit to stay in society...let alone any for new crimes...

Pittsburgh, PA -- Stephen Rex Edmiston, 31, was found guilty of
first- degree murder, rape, statutory rape and involuntary deviate
sexual intercourse. That ruling came in a non-jury trial.

Edmiston then asked for a jury to decide whether he faces death in
the electric chair or life in prison for the death of Bobbi Jo
Matthew.

After his arrest in the Matthew case, Edmiston was tried and
acquitted by a jury of molesting another young girl.

He was free on bail on the molestation charges when he committed
the Matthew murder.

Bobbi Jo was abducted from her bed in the early morning hours of
Oct. 5, 1988. Edmiston, an acquaintance of the child's parents and
a former lover of her grandmother, was questioned by state police
in connection with her disappearance. He drew police a map with an
''X'' marking the spot where her raped and lifeless body was found.

Edmiston raped the child and scalped her and fractured her skull.
She also had a puncture wound in her chest, and burns on her face
and chest. Prosecutors have theorized the puncture and burns were
the result of her attempt to escape Edmiston after the sexual
assault by crawling under his vehicle, where she was burned and
wounded by the vehicle's hot catalytic converter.

Now you tell me if this guy is still alive...I think we have a problem...

Valigator · #14 08-05-2005, 07:13 PM

if the moderator feels my post is not fit...feel free to pull...it is brutal....but it makes our point....

Andy L · #15 08-05-2005, 08:45 PM

Heres an example of someone who should get death. But instead, hes facing 3-15 and a fine. And MAY lose his teaching certificate. Sad. This was in our local paper today.

CAMDEN COUNTY - A School of the Osage high school science teacher faces disciplinary action for immoral conduct and the possibility of losing his teaching certification after being charged with three counts of statutory sodomy by the Camden County Prosecuting Attorney's office.

Adam Kincheloe, 25, is currently free on $100,000 bond. Kincheloe was charged on July 27 following an investigation by the Osage Beach Police Department and the State Technical Assistance Team, which specializes in sex crimes involving children.

According to the investigative report filed by the Osage Beach Police Department, the charges stem from an alleged relationship Kincheloe is accused of having with a student. The alleged relationship that led to the charges is believed to have started in January or February of this year and continued at least through May.

The investigation resulted in three charges of statutory sodomy against Kincheloe for three specific incidents that allegedly occurred in May. The victim is identified in court records only by initials and age. The sodomy charges were filed based on the age of the alleged victim.

Police issued a search warrant to seize Kincheloe's laptop, home and work computers, text messaging records, handwritten notes and other documents as part of the investigation.

The victim apparently shared the information with a counselor through a journal after saying "she couldn't talk about her problem but she could write about it."

The counselor and the alleged victim's mother had both noticed she appeared to be troubled and withdrawn, according to the affidavit of probable cause. The affidavit refers to "inappropriate behavior" on and off the school campus.

According to court documents, Kincheloe's permanent address is listed as Lebanon. The court documents also refer to a residence in Osage Beach.

According to school officials, Kincheloe has been with the district for two years. Kincheloe was under contract to return to his position teaching physical science and chemistry later this month when the fall session gets underway.

During the course of the investigation, School of the Osage Superintendent Mary Ann Johnson turned over an e-mail that court records say appears to have been sent by Kincheloe to the school apologizing for his actions and admitting it was "not professional in any means." The e-mail was submitted as evidence in the affidavit of probable cause.

"Our first priority is to protect our children," Johnson said.

Johnson said Kincheloe has been notified that the district is moving forward with a hearing to take action on the immoral conduct issue. Depending on the outcome of the school district's action, Kincheloe could face the loss of his teaching certification.

The sodomy charges carry a range of punishment of one to seven years in jail or one year in jail and/or a fine of $5,000 on each count.