270wsm vs 270win

[Evan03]

only posting this because model70 seems to be missing this one each time.

in my opion the wsm is a hair better balisticaly when 130 140 and 150gr bullets are used.

140gr bullets at 3200.

but speed isnt everything

everyones comments welcome.

the 270wsm is the only wsm caliber i think ill have, ive actualy been yearning for 22" barreld ruger walnut blued 270wsm with moderate glass 14power maybe 12 as a high mtn all around muley getting that doesnt weigh to much.

[model 70]

hmmm...

is this a hunting rifle? do you truely think a "hair better" will matter in the field? a few hundred fps faster won't matter much either. is that wsm ammo as widely available or have the variety of loadings? how much is the brass alone? is the wsm as proven in the field on game as the "old .270"?

nice try though.

[Evan03]

actualy i have no idea how much brash costs, but ive got stock pile of 270wsm brass. a box of 140gr bts left and not quite half a jar of imr 4350

i have no idea wether the few hundred feet per second is measured from 22" or 24" barrel.

the simple fact is on paper it beats the 270win into the mud. but papaer is no place to be.

the 270win is tried and true and so close to matching the scribbled on paper that its just as good even better.

not sure but i thgink i may have hinted towards this in my last line in my thread

Evan

ps

new keeps us going and im so so glad we still have new calibers comeing out.
though i never do see the old tried and true calibers becomeing obsolete.

heck i dunno 10 years from now we may be shooting 277 rifles that shoot to 6000fps and we site in dead on at 100yds and drop 3"s at 500 instead of closer to 4 feet of drop at 500.

even when that day comes our old calibers will still be going strong

[Evan03]

this is the difrence

270win 140 accubonds at 2950
270wsm 140 acubonds 3200

270win drop at 400yds 19"s
270wsm 16"s

i dont know wether that 3 inches is worth even taken notice of

at 500yds the 270win still has 1287 ft/lbs of energy

while the wsm has 1555 ft/lbs

for some reason, i just checked the 280rem balistic and trajecotory and its a hair closer to the wsm than the 270.

though the wsm does have more knock down power out further than both.

you know i could realy care less wich one is better. i kinda bring it up because i thought you didnt because this would come up.

the simple fact is i play with calibers just for fun, i could do without the 27win and wsm. but i tend to like the 277 cals.


i want 6mm right bad.

[model 70]

ok

[Brithunter]

Hi There,

Sorry but I simply cannot see the sense in the 270 WSM, for a start a 22" barrel is not going to provide the best velocity, you need 24" and prefrably 26". There has also been feeding problems with that short fat case in rifles supposedly set up for the new cartridges from the factory.

The normal 270 Winchester, well never heard of a feeding problem and the old saw about long actions and long bolt throw is just cobblers IMHO Nope I'll stick with the old 270 Winchester and know comfortably that it will get the job done and the cartridge will feed from the magazine like a hot knife through butter. If I want more punch down range for any reason then I will use a larger/more powerful (delete as appropriate ) calibre

Two of my 270's have 22" barrels the third which is the first rifle I ever brought has only a 20" barrel, it's a BSA CF2 Stutzen and I have never worked out just why they chambered this rifle in the 270 win cartridge when with such a short barrel it negates some of it's advantage. The short barrel would have been better chambered in 7x57 Mauser or 6.5x55 SE. Oh it's accurate enough but I found when reloading for it that Medium burning rate powders are best otherwise you get a big fireball from the muzzle from the unburnt powder buring as it exits It's quite surprising just what a difference that 2" can make on a barrel

[Evan03]

ive been on reloading kick lateing, for some reason im getn into brewing my own, this happens about ounce every two years.

anyway, ive been researching alot of difrent calibers ounce i have and some that i want. the 6mmrem and others.

ive looked at 270win info on almost all the websites. and ive found some loads that puts it right there with wsm. mine is the 22" barreld remington. and has been my rifle for 12 years.

i had 24" barreld 270wsm in crf action from winchester. i loved the rifle but im not positive about the controled feed action. id also get stuck tryn to drop one in chamber and close the bolt on it. you can not do this with the action.

i never did cut the barrel 2" shorter so i cant tell you how muzzle blast was with 22" barrel. but i can tell you with full house stoked loads the 24" barrel kept the rifle tame enough for me just as tame as my 270win shooting factory fodder.

though the caliber may be useless to most all of us, i think it has place right here along side all the other useless calibers.

Evan

[Brithunter]

Hi Evan,

Ahh well now the 6mm remington is one I am waiting to play with, trading into a Parker-Hale Model 1200V in this chambering, it has a 24" heavy barrel but as they forgot to add 6mm expanding ammo on my ticket and I then re-located so I have not got it all sorted out I have yet to fire it. Monies too tight to set up with components for reloading so it will just have to wait for now. I did fing a sorce of soem factory Winchester ammo for a reasonable price but here the ammo is writen onto our licence when you buy it and as I say they forgot the expanding part so ............

[Evan03]

i have rem vt 22/250 with a shot out barrel,

ive been kickn around turning it into 243, but that was before i was reloading much, now that im on reloading kick ive decided on the 6mmrem, in all info i can find its hair faster(better?) than the 243. since ill be strickly loading for it ill have all the ammo available the 243win has

but i cant decide to build or just get another ruger bolt action, it cost me about 500 to have 22/250 rebarrel withe barrel i want and 475 to just pick up new walnut blued ruger bolt action.

so im not sure wich way to on this one

Evan

ps

i love meduim to small caliber for hunting. im way excited about the 6mm. id imagine its not long before i have one.

[Catfish]

Rule of thumb is 100 fps. will get you abt. 5 yrds. on max. point blank range. This does depend on the BC of the bullet, but it is close. You know me Evan and saw what I was carring when I was out coyote hunting and probibly one of the few guys on the board that have had more different rounds than you have had. In my honest oppenion I really don`t think it matters much what round you use as long as you have enough to do the job. It`s mostly what you want and I would think you would have figured that out by now. The game don`t know the difference, it all in what you want. A gun is a tool to some people, but to guys like you and me they are toys, why else would I have a wildcat that can push a 300 gn. bullet to the same velosities as a .375 H&H mag. when I never plan to hunt Aferica? If youwant it get it.

[Evan03]

catfish

yeah my rifles are tools and i have a few of em
but it seems i keep wanting more of em and trying new and difrent calibers.

the 204 was kinda blah and chances are id have it loaded below its potential if loaded for it. think id rather have 222 or something than the 204.

the 270wsm is bout identical but may be a reason later on to try it agin and get another ruger.
the 300 win just didnt seem to suite me like the 3006

and it seems the 22/250 and 220 have stuck as my big 224 calibers

the 2506 and 270 are here to stay as my bigger cals along with the 3006.

then that leaves with playing with 6mm or 243 with high bc bullets and big selection of em.
thats whats next on the list.

hows everything been going with you? anything new?

Evan

[PJgunner]

Evan 03 said, "the simple fact is on paper it beats the 270win into the mud. but papaer is no place to be."


No I am known for trashing the "egg-spurts" in the gun rags However, when one does do it right, I'll damn well say so. SHOOTING TIMES, OCTOBER 2005, Page 30, the .270 Win. vs the .270 WSM by Layne Simpson.

On page 33, theere is a velocity comparion between factory and handload between the two cartridges.

.270 Win. .270WSM Difference
Highest vel. handloads (130gr.) 3153 3263 +WSM
" " " factory* (130gr.) 3218 3156 +Win.
" " " handloads (140gr.) 3011 3040 +WSM
" " " factory* (140gr.) 3077 3134 +WSM
" " " handloads (150gr.) 2952 3036 +WSM
" " " factory# (150gr.) 2841 3058 +WSM

* Hornady's light magnum. Winchester's 130 gr. Ballistic Silver tip was 2921 FPS. Winchester's 140 gr. Accubond was 2953 FPS.

# Winchester's 150 gr. Power point.

Based on this, it would seem to me that with either the federal High Energy, Hornady light Magnum or good handloads, you can come close ebough to the WSM specs ans to make the round negligible.
With a proper handload using H-4831, my .270 delivers 3,000 FPS right on the nose with a 150 gr. Nosler partiton. Don't seem worth the extra money yo buy a WSM.
Paul B.

[model 70]

i'm still waiting to hear an applicable advantage the WSM has over the old .270 round on game. NONE!

[BILLY D.]

Originally posted by model 70
i'm still waiting to hear an applicable advantage the WSM has over the old .270 round on game. NONE!

MODEL 70

me too. and the other short mags don't show a big advantage over their parent cartridges. the 243 is absolutely pathetic.

these short mags might? be alright for entry level hunters but i sure ain't gonna throw away all my guns and run out and buy a short mag cause they are cutesy.

[model 70]

yep. 200fps more or 100-200ft. lbs more of energy won't kill a deer, hog, bear, antelope, etc. any deader than the old tried and true. bullet drop? guess you'll just have to sight an inch or two higher at 100 yards than dead on and that's being generous to the WSM. it all seems relative. the newbies still kick, they're still THAT loud and the ammo is a bit more pricey. not worth it if ya ask me