Bush/Obama I am getting pissed.

[jon lynn]

.contrary to our esteemed Speaker of the House Pelosi..who thinks unemployment benefits are a stimulus to the economy.. another communist..

Agree 100%

[Jack]

Jon, the nature of the internet lends itself to name calling, unfortunately. Unlike face to face, a person is unlikely to get punched in the mouth for name calling on the 'net.
Most people, too, have their position/preference/prejudice- whatever you choose to call it, and aren't interested in really listening to anyone else's.
Most internet political 'discussions' generate far more heat than light, and persuade no one.

[Joe Boleo]

I hear you and would say that since you own several firearms that you are not a bleeding heart liberal or any of that negative stuff. We have two major political parties in this country today and both spend way too much money that we do not have. The only difference that I see between the major political parties is what they overspend money on. I became a Libertarian and could support Independents, Constitutional or Tea Party candidates. Problem is the major parties control the campaign money and other good parties are having a tough time getting the millions to campaign. Take care...
Joe

[popplecop]

I hate to say this, it's an old saying but in the last election I voted for what I thought was the lesser of 2 evils. I voted for McCain but was not that impressed with him politically, am proud of his military service though.

[Larryjk]

I was reading the thread through to follow the thoughts and saw what I wrote. Really, I must have been having a "senior moment". I looked at how I spelled Syria and thought to myself, "What the heck was I doing"? The only excuse I have is the "senior moment".

[Seawolf1090]

So the Chinese own GM Hummer - not an issue, as the Hummer is simply a rebodied Tahoe/Yukon, NOT the same as the military HMMV still being built HERE by a different company.
I have switched party affiliation from GOP to Independent. After this failed 2008 'election' (I call it the "Immaculate Deception") I cannot trust the Republicans any more - they never questioned obungle's bonafidees, and simply let McCain run on empty and fail. The GOP has been utterly marginalized and emasculated by The Zombie Queen pelosi, in her mind-numbingly blind hatred of anything 'Bush'. obungle is getting his legislation passed without any blocking by The Groady Old Party - they simply do not matter any more. obungle has his Super Majority of Koolade Drinkers and Chicago Mafia homeboys. Maybe, IF the GOP can grow a pair and actually take some more seats in November, AND remember their conservative voting base/constituents - then MAYBE we can mute some of the current misadministration's worst efforts to Communize this nation.
It's either that, or we go to Concorde 2.0 and Yorktown 2.0 - not to be desired but maybe eventually necessary......

As far as I am concerned, the magic kenyan's total FUBAR in dealing with the Gulf Disaster has buried any further political asperations of his - though unfortunately the damage has been done - it's gonna take years to undo some of what the traitor has accomplished - much can never be fixed. BP should seriously consider shoving him headfirst down that pipe in his skivvies toting a bucket of cement -"Plug that hole!"

[skeet]

What OJ said.....and why don'cha tell us how ya really feel OJ. Sorry Fabs but illegal is just that.. illegal..and the people that employ 'em too. They break the law. Greed Then again Fabs..I ain't sorry cause truth is truth whether you turn a blind eye to it or not.

[fabsroman]

Originally Posted by skeet

What OJ said.....and why don'cha tell us how ya really feel OJ. Sorry Fabs but illegal is just that.. illegal..and the people that employ 'em too. They break the law. Greed Then again Fabs..I ain't sorry cause truth is truth whether you turn a blind eye to it or not.

Look, you and I will just have to agree to disagree. Yeah, they came here illegally because we have laws on our books that make it illegal. However, we can also change those laws or pass additional laws that now make them legal. That is what I would propose.

Kind of like the person that breaks the law only to receive Probation Before Judgment in Maryland even though they plead guilty to the crime. Yep, they broke the law, but they are given a second chance.

I am proposing the same thing for the illegals that are currently here and that have proven they would be good US citizens in the long run.

Again, we will just have to agree to disagree.

[multibeard]

[QUOTE=fabsroman;336872]
I am proposing the same thing for the illegals that are currently here and that have proven they would be good US citizens in the long run.
QUOTE]

How do you tell the difference between the good illegals and the bad ones they are all illegal. Around my area you can not tell the legals from the illegals let alone the good from the bad.

A couple of months ago the border patrol picked up 60+ illegals from one of the biggest fruit and vegtable processing plants in the country. I am sure once cherry processing get in full swing this week they can pick up that many if not more from the same plant. Some will probably be the same ones they deported last time.

Send them back and make them come here legally just like your kin and mine.

[fabsroman]

[QUOTE=multibeard;336874]

Originally Posted by fabsroman

I am proposing the same thing for the illegals that are currently here and that have proven they would be good US citizens in the long run.
QUOTE]

How do you tell the difference between the good illegals and the bad ones they are all illegal. Around my area you can not tell the legals from the illegals let alone the good from the bad.

A couple of months ago the border patrol picked up 60+ illegals from one of the biggest fruit and vegtable processing plants in the country. I am sure once cherry processing get in full swing this week they can pick up that many if not more from the same plant. Some will probably be the same ones they deported last time.

Send them back and make them come here legally just like your kin and mine.

The way you can tell is to do a criminal background check on them. If they haven't been in trouble, they have been here 5 years, and they can pay something in back taxes, I would suggest letting them apply for a greencard and start paying taxes a plenty like the rest of us do.

At the same time we do the above, we lock down the borders, period. I agree with keeping them out. The problem is with the ones that are already here. Until we really start fining the snot out of companies that hire them, they will remain here for quite a long time and they will be a drag on a lot of governmental units, one of which I believe is hospital emergency rooms.

[Mr. 16 gauge]

Anyway, about the only way this nation is going to continue on with its greatness is if people stop spending tons of time in front of the TV, video games, etc., and actually get interested in knowledge. Then, we might actually be able to do something at the voting booth.

I have to agree with Fabs that we, as a nation, are short sighted.....we ***** and complain about our dependency on foreign oil, giving our money to the A-rabs, blah, blah, blah......but we never try and develop alternative energy sources. Look at the dept of Energy....developed back in the late 70's/early 80's to solve the problem of dependency on foreign oil, it has accomplished NOTHING in the 30+ years it has been in exsistance......nothing at all! Talk about a waste. Don't know what their budget is, but I can tell you that if I had the power, that is one dept that would be disbanded immediately!
The there is the BP oil spill.....didn't we learn our lesson with the Exxon Valdez? Apparently NOT!
As long as we as a nation are 'entertained' with the crap that comes out of Hollyweird, then everything is "O.K."

....and lets add the 4-5 generations that have been on welfare and never worked a day in their lives. Does history repeat itself? I'm reminded of something about "Bread & Circuses".....and the fall of another great republic.

[PJgunner]

We're getting a bit OT here and I'll jump in on this myself in a bit.
Jon, I don't think you and I have ever had any kind of disagreement but even if we did I would try to almost be civil.
s the feds have an immigration law in place, although they do not bother to enforce it, considering on how much our buffoon in the Oval Orifice has spend keeping his records hidden, there is that old saying,about something rotten in Denmark although here is one about a woodpile that is a lot more appropriate.
However, as this had deteriorated into illegal immigration, my thought are this.
Sorry fabs but here we're gonna disagree. There is no way I will accept a reform program that gives them amnesty nor a path to citizenship. It makes no difference to me that the feds only consider it a misdemeanor. Compare Mexico's immigration laws to ours. We slap them on the wrist if they sneak across the line but Mexico? Read the following

New Immigration Laws: Read to the bottom or you will miss the message...
1 There will be no special bilingual programs in the schools.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
2. All ballots will be in this nation's language.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
3. All government business will be conducted in our language.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
4. Non-residents will NOT have the right to vote no matter how long they are here.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
5. Non-citizens will NEVER be able to hold political office
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
6 Foreigners will not be a burden to the taxpayers. No welfare, no food stamps, no health care, or other government assistance programs. Any burden will be deported.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
7. Foreigners can invest in this country, but it must be an amount at least equal to 40,000 times the daily minimum wage.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
8. If foreigners come here and buy land... options will be restricted. Certain parcels including waterfront property are reserved for citizens naturally born into this country.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
9.. Foreigners may have no protests; no demonstrations, no waving of a foreign flag, no political organizing, no bad-mouthing our president or his policies. These will lead to deportation.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
10. If you do come to this country illegally, you will be actively hunted &, when caught, sent to jail until your deportation can be arranged. All assets will be taken from you.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Too strict?......
The above laws are the current immigration laws of MEXICO !!!
These sound fine to me, NOW, how can we get these laws to be America's immigration laws??

WAKE UP, AMERICA - we are about to lose our country.........

We should enact those very same laws immediately if not sooner.
Paul B.

[fabsroman]

Originally Posted by PJgunner

We're getting a bit OT here and I'll jump in on this myself in a bit.
Jon, I don't think you and I have ever had any kind of disagreement but even if we did I would try to almost be civil.
s the feds have an immigration law in place, although they do not bother to enforce it, considering on how much our buffoon in the Oval Orifice has spend keeping his records hidden, there is that old saying,about something rotten in Denmark although here is one about a woodpile that is a lot more appropriate.
However, as this had deteriorated into illegal immigration, my thought are this.
Sorry fabs but here we're gonna disagree. There is no way I will accept a reform program that gives them amnesty nor a path to citizenship. It makes no difference to me that the feds only consider it a misdemeanor. Compare Mexico's immigration laws to ours. We slap them on the wrist if they sneak across the line but Mexico? Read the following

New Immigration Laws: Read to the bottom or you will miss the message...
1 There will be no special bilingual programs in the schools.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
2. All ballots will be in this nation's language.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
3. All government business will be conducted in our language.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
4. Non-residents will NOT have the right to vote no matter how long they are here.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
5. Non-citizens will NEVER be able to hold political office
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
6 Foreigners will not be a burden to the taxpayers. No welfare, no food stamps, no health care, or other government assistance programs. Any burden will be deported.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
7. Foreigners can invest in this country, but it must be an amount at least equal to 40,000 times the daily minimum wage.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
8. If foreigners come here and buy land... options will be restricted. Certain parcels including waterfront property are reserved for citizens naturally born into this country.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
9.. Foreigners may have no protests; no demonstrations, no waving of a foreign flag, no political organizing, no bad-mouthing our president or his policies. These will lead to deportation.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
10. If you do come to this country illegally, you will be actively hunted &, when caught, sent to jail until your deportation can be arranged. All assets will be taken from you.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Too strict?......
The above laws are the current immigration laws of MEXICO !!!
These sound fine to me, NOW, how can we get these laws to be America's immigration laws??

WAKE UP, AMERICA - we are about to lose our country.........

We should enact those very same laws immediately if not sooner.
Paul B.

Honestly, that list sounds like something that would come in an e-mail forward. I checked for it on Snopes, but there was nothing there. Do you have a source for it? If so, would you mind sharing.

This is what I found about immigrating to Mexico:

http://www.mexperience.com/liveandwork/immigration.htm

If you read through that, it seems like people can actually become citizens of Mexico, but it is a long process.

The thing that kind of gives that list away is "Non-residents will NOT have the right to vote no matter how long they are here.". If somebody is already living in Mexico, how can they be a non-resident?

Maybe that list is legit, but it just doesn't sound like it from what I have read and the way it reads.

[Larryjk]

Now AT Eric Holder is going to follow the Democratic Party playbook and slam another suit against Arizona. This one will claim they are sponsoring racial profiling. He didn't file this with the first one because he wants to have them defend innumerable suits, which is more expensive than one suit. Their are also 7 states filing against AZ; states that are following the democratic line.
Does this practice ring a bell on what was being done to Sarah Pallin in Alaska? Bury them in frivolous suits so they have to defend each one separately to drive up the cost.
It is getting close to campaign time where the Dems will not campaign on issues, but on character assassination. They will follow the pattern of attacking the individual rather than issues. I realize this will make some unhappy, but before you attack me think about whether or not I am correct!

[skeet]

Originally Posted by Larryjk

Now AT Eric Holder is going to follow the Democratic Party playbook and slam another suit against Arizona. This one will claim they are sponsoring racial profiling. He didn't file this with the first one because he wants to have them defend innumerable suits, which is more expensive than one suit. Their are also 7 states filing against AZ; states that are following the democratic line.
!

Larry I feel you are correct..but there is another caveat that will follow..they will file it in a court that is favorable to the US That is what all attorneys try to do..get a case in a favored judges court or a jurisdiction that is friendly to them.. Ask Fabs..he knows