Cops and concealed carry?

[Skinny Shooter]

Originally posted by Leadbutt
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Me ,myself and I would not give a weapon to a Police Officer unless he had placed me under arrest, and if wants to argue about it fine call his supervisor, to the scene, and get it explained why it is,when all you have been stopped for is WHAT SPEEDING
but thats just my 2 cents

Dittos

[fabsroman]

I can't say that I have never forgotten that a round is in the chamber, but that is the reason for pointing the muzzle in a safe direction at all times. Whether the LEO did so out of training or luck, who knows, but at least nothing tragic has happened. Can't say that I have ever pulled the trigger or dropped a hammer without knowing whether or not a live round is in the chamber.

The only instance where I didn't know whether or not a live round was in the chamber was this past summer/fall while I was dove hunting. I went with my dad and a friend and all three guns were mine. I put my gun up against a telephone pole to take down the other two guns and then started taking my gun apart. When I slid the barrel off of the receiver a shell came with it. I felt like an idiot at that point and it has just increased my awareness of gun safety.

Accidents happen, but that is why we have to follow all the safety precautions so that it takes a bunch of mistakes to have a fatal accident.

[papi]

know the law before criticizing it.it makes no difference if the gun is unloaded. it is still a weapon in the eyes of the law.it makes no difference if it is in the trunk.here in texas the officer automatically knows you have a ccw when he runs your plates.too many old wise tales will get people in trouble

[Nulle]

I think Adam put it best so far but I must say that the gun would NOT stay on your person in SD until checks were made .
This is not to be a big deal if you think about it : I can take that gun for no other reason then Officer Saftey . The Officer don't know you from Adam so please don't get Rambo and get upset.
I SD they give about everybody a concealed permit so care must be taken.
The serial number of the gun will be run to see if it was stolen and if you are a gun owner you should thank them for doing this as I have had a gun stolen and not recoverd . Like I said its not like you are not going to get it back in a few minutes so take it easy.

[papi]

sorry but you made no sense.what do you mean about rambo?you were jumping everywhere and it was hard to understand.not everyone in texas can even own a gun much less carry one.you have to go thru a ccw course and pass a background investigation.coming out of a vehicle and attempting to hand a gun to a officer will get you shot.you can tell the officer you have a gun in the car would make much more sense. it is not necessary in texas.it is tied into the plates system. when they run your tags it will also show that you have a ccw.

[Nulle]

Try to make this so you can understand: South Dakota is Not like Texas.
You will Not be allowed to have a gun on your person while the stop is being processed.
After telling the Officer you have a gun on you he will instruct you on how he wants this weapon turned over to him.
Rambo: Pretty plain as to not throw a fit about handing over that gun. You will get it back in a few minutes, everybody will be safe and you will be on your way. If you want to go the other way you will be at that stop allot longer and worse thing being an Obstructing charge and you may not leave at all until after court.
I have no idea how other States handle these but thats the way it is in South Dakota.

[papi]

you are not allowed to have one on your person here either.it would be extremely stupid to have one on you person during a stop in any state.that could very easily get you shot.the police here automatically know you hav e a weapon when they run your plates.it would make common sense to ask the person to leave the gun in the car when you ask them to step out.i can not believe any police anywhere would ask the person to hand them the gun.procedures never allow the person to even touch a gun

[Larry in Bend]

I'm a CCW holder - I got stopped recently for having the factory fog lamps on my Chev truck lit up on a foggy nite in Central Or. Here we don't have to alert the cops to the presence of a firearm but this State Cop was so aggressive and ego-driven that I felt it was the best thing to do. I gave him my permit with my driver's license. He stepped back and asked if I was "currently carrying a weapon." "In the console" says I. The guy continued to be a jerk but no ticket was issued and no further mention of my handgun was made.

[Adam Helmer]

Larry,

If I am stopped, I am polite and compliant. Many cops and new federal agents are sure they are "OK" carrying a gun, but they have a "Them versus Us" attitude about civillian CCW carry. I am a retired fed and have my credentials on hand in case of need. I suggest politeness and compliance. If you want to make an issue of handing over your CCW gun, take it up with the chief later or have your attorney send a letter to the chief.

If you read the newspapers, or arrest a few cops, you will understand that only "Some" criminals are wearing a police uniform. Comply and be civil, the time to take matters to another level is NOT during a night traffic stop. Be cool and compliant.

Adam

[papi]

them versus us attitude makes a great deal of sense. a civilian has almost no training where as a officer has years of training.as a so called fed you should know better.there is never a time when you would hand over your gun. it is to be left in the car.why would you even talk to the chief? he has nothing to do with it involving a citizen or a retired officer.
if you are really a fed you have no clue what is going on. common sense tells you to be polite.the problem is that there is not a great deal of common snese out there.NEVER,and i mean NEVER attempt to hand a gun to a officer.tell the officer where the gun is and let the officer get it.i seriously doubt you were a fed with those answers. if you are then fed standards have gone out the window.

[LoneWolf]

Wow, Papi, you sure got riled up in a hurry.

Trust me, Adam is a retired Fed, and also a complete gentleman. The bad thing about this internet is that things get misread in a hurry, what with no vocal tones invloved.
I'm sure you didn't mean to sound like you were jumping down his throat in your post, but before anyone gets too carried away.. I thought I'd post on how it sounded.
Every state can be a little different in their rules, and EVERY person acts to asituation differently. My advise is to do what you are comfortable with, try to stay within the law, and be prepared for consequences either way.

[papi]

he stated things in a way the it is not done in any phase of law enforcement.he said to do things that makes little sense.like going to the chief.the chief has nothing to do with it. and the us against them.would you feel equal to some with just a couple of hours of training and the officer has years? that is just plain common sense.if he is indeed a retired fed he posesses very little knowledge of ccw laws and leo procedures.this is just very suspect to make those statements.it is demeaning to state that officers are criminals carrying a weapon.with these statements he must have been real popular

[Adam Helmer]

papi,

You sure have a "wild hair" giving you trouble. LOL. Thanks LoneWolf for the support.

Papi, I said, "be cool and compliant." What is the problem there? In several communities I know of, citizens took their complaints of over-zealous officers to the chief and in some cases the officer was removed; in others the officer was disciplined. If you do not think cops can be criminals, then read the Knapp Commission report where 80+ cops were arrested for various crimes. The movie, "Serpico" starring Dustin Hoffman is based on that investigation. Maybe you need to go to Blockbuster Video and rent the movie. A recent TV documentary entitled "When the badge goes bad," or some such title, documented police corruption in New Orleans, NYC and other cities of all sizes.

You may be compelled to hand over your gun in whatever state the officer demands same. Each officer is an individual and it depends on what the officers asks at the time of the stop. Never is not an option in ALL cases; you will do what you are told!

Finally, why do you automatically assume cops are better trained than most civilians? Some citizens have years of training while some cops have had only months on the job. How long have you been an LEO? When do you qualify, once or twice a year? As information, I was the instructor for 100+ federal agents for 10 years, and have attended FBI, Customs, State Police and Treasury Firearms schools; need I say more?

I am not saying all cops are criminals; no more than all priests are child molesters. In law enforcement you have a cross section of society, both good and bad. If you are a LEO, go chat with the Public Corruption squad of your local FBI unit. During a traffic stop, be compliant and polite. 10-4?

Have a Happy New Year.

Adam

[Aim to maim]

Originally posted by papi
them versus us attitude makes a great deal of sense. a civilian has almost no training where as a officer has years of training.as a so called fed you should know better.there is never a time when you would hand over your gun. it is to be left in the car.why would you even talk to the chief? he has nothing to do with it involving a citizen or a retired officer.
if you are really a fed you have no clue what is going on. common sense tells you to be polite.the problem is that there is not a great deal of common snese out there.NEVER,and i mean NEVER attempt to hand a gun to a officer.tell the officer where the gun is and let the officer get it.i seriously doubt you were a fed with those answers. if you are then fed standards have gone out the window.

Law enforcement careers entail many occupational hazzards. There are the obvious ones such as being shot, stabbed or maimed in a motor vehicle accident. Somewhat less well known to the general public are issues such as alcoholism, divorce, heart disease and other maladies that can be caused or aggravated by continued stress.

However, the most insidious and least recognized law enforcement occupational hazzard is the danger of retiring as a cynical, ill-tempered, paranoid, bitter individual who is hyper-quick to criticize and find fault, and has little good to say about anyone. Truly sad.

[papi]

have you ever heard of the movie,"the graduate".dustin hoffman was in the graduate and al pacino was in serpico.i do have that tape as well as the one titled"prince of the city".there is no problem with being cool and compliant. show me where i ever said that.common sense shows you that officers have been removed ,transferred,and suspended for breaking the rules.what in the world does that have to do with ccw.
what planet are you living on.a officer never asks you to hand over your gun.he will ask where the gun is and then get it himself.show me where in any branch of leo training that a officer has the civilian with a ccw hand him a weapon.you asre blatantly wrong.that will get a officer killed and a civilian killed very quickly.you never let a civilian handle a weapon in your presence.geesh fella. what planet do you live on.
i was a leo from 1976-2001.i am a 5th generation retired officer.my dad had 40 years on the job.i have a uncle who retired from government work.my firearms instructor was a fbi agennt by the name of bob butler.when you talk about ccw they are not well trained.you sound like a administrator and not a street level officer. look in the dictionary under common sense.show me where in any phase of leo training that it allows a civilian to handle a weapon in the officers presence.i guess if dustin hoffman was in serpico now it makes sense.