Law Enforcement allowed to carry - Page 2

Nulle · #16 08-22-2004, 04:14 AM

Well been sitting back and watching this thing and same old negative junk on us cops. Instead of this being a step in a positive sense there ya go with your bashing. I am better then you are cops are Gods-Hitlers ect. Good grief the next time you get robbed or a person you know gets raped call God or handle it yourself if your so darn smart !

mazter · #17 08-22-2004, 02:12 PM

Nulle- I for one never said I hated Cops, Everyone lives in a differant community with differant Cops. The Cops around here do Have the God Complex. I can send you taped recording of it off my Scanner if you'd like. They just sit & wait to Mess with someone. If your right after they show up you will be wrong. I have had several run in's with some LEO's that just dont get it. But there are some that are my friends too. The ones with a chip on thier shoulder should not be allowed to serve, Period. I have saw & heard them Harrass so many people over the dumbest stuff. But the will continue to do so until someone puts a stop to it. Just wait until City Council hears what they do on the Scanner, I might just have to send them a tape.

We all deal with differant matter's in differant areas & differant LEO's. I belive there are some damn fine men & women out there protecting us and Upholding the law. The problem is when they step out of line, Who is there to Police them ? There own Peer's ?

And TV dont help matters any either, All you see is Cop's beating the Crap out of people for no reason, Remember Rodney King ? There's more & more hitting the news Daily. A car chase gets them pumped and mad then when they do get the person out of the car , He better be wearing a suit of Armour, As we have saw many times they get Kicked and Beat in to submission. Is that what they were taught to do ? I dont think so.

Big city LEO's get more training than the Small town LEO's, So how do we make this Equal, It will never be equal.

And if I can Handle the Situation Myself I will, If not then Ill call the Police, But they had better be fair & Respectful. I respect them until they lose it that respect. Im sure im not the only one who has this opinion either, Like I said we all deal with Differant situations in differant towns with Differant LEO's. Not all LEO's are the same.

Nulle · #18 08-23-2004, 06:10 AM

In the bigger cities the Internal Affairs Division takes care of the bad cops and granted there are plenty - But - do you honestly think and want every citizen carrying a gun. Think about what you are saying on this point. A bill for citizens to carry like the one for Law Enforcement would put handguns in the hands of gang members, outlaw motorcycle gangs and all the rest. No thanks on that one !
I don't think we are going to see a mass shooting and misuse of power by Police due to this bill. If this takes place where a cop oversteps the bounds they will still have to face the courts where it took place and again when they get back to their home state.
On the training end of the thing I don't know if large cities have more or less training for their officers. I think this really depends on the Department brass. In the Department where I am working now we have as much or more then the largest city in our state and it is a rather small Department. There are Standards set by the State that we have to go by and follow so these areas are covered.
If you have tapes of wrong doing by "certain" officers then you should turn them over to the internal affairs and let them deal with it. I feel it is your duty as a citizen for the welfare of the community and by not doing so does not and will not help anybody. I have said in the past and will again that the bad cops need to be weeded out and sent to hand out shopping carts at Wal-Mart.

Skinny Shooter · #19 08-23-2004, 08:12 AM

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Originally posted by Nulle
But - do you honestly think and want every citizen carrying a gun. Think about what you are saying on this point.

Absolutely every rational and responsible citizen should be able to carry a gun if they feel the need. Nulle, I'm sure you mean the bad eggs in society shouldn't have a gun and are not referring to the regular average citizen

A bill for citizens to carry like the one for Law Enforcement would put handguns in the hands of gang members, outlaw motorcycle gangs and all the rest. No thanks on that one !

Haven't read the bill. Unfortunately it is a fact that gang members already engage in illegal gun possesion. A national CCW that would do something like that would be very poorly written and will never pass into law. When the average joe crosses a state line, he shouldn't have to fear a jail sentence just because he wants to protect himself and/or family.

I don't think we are going to see a mass shooting and misuse of power by Police due to this bill.

I agree. Most officers are good guys and are members of the community like everyone else.

mazter · #20 08-23-2004, 02:16 PM

Nulle- You have put it in Perspective for me, Thank you. I understand what you are saying.

But this town I live in Is Dirty, Good Ole Boys who have each others Back From the Cops,Councilmen to the Mayor. Just a few Example's-

1. I saw with my own eyes, 2 kids get caught with a Bag of Pot, They took it from the kids and took the Pipe also, Never gave them a Ticket, and the Cops went on their way, I had a scanner in hand & there were no radio calls in about it either. Those cops had a High time that nite !

.2 A Serious Accident happen's Killing 3 Kids, The Sheriff that got there first was the Dad of the Driver of the car that killed 3 Kids, He helped his son Hide the Beer that was in the Car. I know everyone that was involved with this one. We told the other Sheriffs we saw him hiding the Beer, Nothing was done. No one served one day in jail. But the Community knows the truth. We were there.

.3 I know a guy who was in jail, and had to serve 30 days on a DUI. He got privlages to help clean the Jail while he was in there. He walked out of Jail with a few ounce's weed, Now how can that Happen ?

Too many people know about all the Stuff I named above, Im not the only one that knows about all this. This town is Crooked, Yeah I know we elected some of these people, but they just conform with the rest of them.

And I will turn in those Tapes I have too, Your right it is my Civic Duty to do so. Ill also keep a Back up of them too.

Thank's Nulle

Edited to add- I dont disrespect any cop's at all, But I want to be treated fair. I didnt want you to think I was Knocking on all LEO's, Just the ones here, and the one's all over that do have a Complex with their Staus as a LEO.

TreeDoc · #21 08-23-2004, 02:51 PM

You seemed surprised, Maz!

Everyone knows Cops have the best Weed!

Sorry Nulle, I couldn't resist! It must have been those years of listening to Cheech and Chong in the '70's, man!

mazter · #22 08-23-2004, 08:34 PM

Belive it or Not its the Truth

Nulle · #23 08-25-2004, 07:16 PM

Let me try it one more time Skinney and then I'll shut up lol.
Where do you draw the line on who gets to carry and who don't?
NO I don't want every citizen to be armend. Some are dangerious and should not have even a BB gun but again where do we draw that line. If I were the Sheriff or Police Chief would I want the job of weeding them out? Not realy because I was there once and it was not easy. At that time South Dakota now had a conceled permit + a target and hunting one. Many got the hunting one and very few got the conceled permit.

There are bad Deparments thats for sure and I sure am not condoning their actions and think I stated before ++Do everything you can to get rid of them!

8X56MS · #24 09-03-2004, 06:34 PM

Anti Police? not really. Anti militarized cops that refer to us as 'Civilians', and pardon the pun, 'cop' an attitude? yeah, I am anti that.
A LEO has no more reason to carry a gun than anyone else. Treating them as a different class of citizen, is not prudent. Every one of them has the ability to secure a 'Civilian' CCW if their State has been magnanimous enough to issue them. If not, oh well, they can just take their chances with the rest of us.
Liberals support this ill concieved legislation, because the feel NONE of US should have guns, JUST the cops.

Nulle · #25 09-04-2004, 09:51 AM

Well guess we have and will always be treated as "different" class citizen. Far as ability to carry our President must not have shared your feelings on that one.

Purebred Redneck · #26 09-08-2004, 01:43 PM

I still think everyone is missing my point

Concealed carry is for personal proection - not to be a civilian constantly looking for terrorists or people on the FBI most wanted. A cop is a civilian HOWEVER he has FAR MORE personal enemies and reasons for being attacked by "old friends" than 50 of us put together. That simple fact alone is enough justification to warrent additional carry privilges.

M.T. Pockets · #27 09-08-2004, 02:13 PM

Boy I feel dumb, I thought a licensed police officer was allowed to carry at all times. Afterall, they're licensed law enforcement officers 24/7 aren't they ? I'm not familiar with the laws in Minnesota but I thought licensed officers could carry. I don't know why not, if they chose to.

I like Purebred Redneck's point too, makes perfect sense to me.

Nulle · #28 09-08-2004, 09:10 PM

All States are or were different in the laws governing the carrying by Law Enforcement. This new deal is for State to State travel ect.
There was a time when in New York if you boarded an airline with a fella in custody to be taken to another State and you had a gun there would be a big problem.
Which brings up another point: For you that think everybody should have the same right, where you also in the large group awhile back that thought it was ok for the airline pilots to carry?
If so would it not be just as fare for all the passangers to carry then also?
Myself I don't see a problem with the Pilots having guns after the right training but on the other hand I think you know my stance on passangers lol

Varmint Hunter · #29 09-08-2004, 09:19 PM

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Boy I feel dumb, I thought a licensed police officer was allowed to carry at all times. Afterall, they're licensed law enforcement officers 24/7 aren't they ?

Most Police, if not all, carry firearms based on their lawful authority to do so. Generally, they are not "licensed" to do so. They are required to meet the minimum firearm proficiency standard as prescribed by the Department of Criminal Justice, and to do so no less then once each year. Most departments have training programs that are much more extensive than the required standard and often train more frequently.

The new legislation signed into law by President Bush allows officers (active or retired) to carry thier handguns out of their jurisdictions. I might add that in order for retired officers to take advantage of this bill they must continue their annual training throughout their retirement and to carry proof of such training.

VH

Adam Helmer · #30 09-09-2004, 08:14 AM

Nulle,

You seem to think a national CCW would permit "gang members and outlaw bikers to carry." I agree with Skinny Shooter when he says the gangs and other bad guys already are carrying without a national ccw.

If you read the Federal Firearms Act of 1938 and the 1968 Gun Control Act, you will see that criminals and others are "prohibited persons" and may not possess any firearms. No national ccw would allow bad guys to carry and all BGs who want to carry are doing so this minute.

The next time you go into a gun shop, pick up a BATFE Form 4473 and see the list of "prohibited persons" who will not pass a background check. Many of the folks I arrested in my career were armed and none had a permit to carry because they did not qualify for a permit.

Adam