slug gun

[MOSSMAN]

Keep in mind when I refered to the mossbergs being already taped it was if you wanted to make it a "full time slug gun!"Most people that I know including myself do not use the same gun for turkeys that they use for deer. I myself use a 12ga with a rifled barel with a reciever mounted scope because I like the 3 inch group @ 100yrds with my primary sluger.

[WT Kevorkian]

If your satisfied with 3" groups at 100 yards I guess its ok. Personally I'm more satisfied with the consistent 1" groups and occasional one holers at 100yds with my mossberg cantilever guns and my benelli SBE. But thats just me.

[MOSSMAN]

WT,


1" groups with a 12ga @ 100yards priceless! What type of sabots do you shoot because that sounds like one hell of a deer gun?

[WT Kevorkian]

;I shoot lightfields out of the mossbergs, and Federal Barnes Expanders outta the benelli Shaw barrel, with a 2-7 power leupold on the one mossberg, and a 3-9x40 Vari X 3 on the benelli.

[browning2000]

Just curious, could you post a pic or two of your 1 hole groups at 100yds shot by your slug gun, heck even a couple pics of a 1"er's at 100 would be fine.

[WT Kevorkian]

I don't usually take pics of my targets or even keep them around but the next time I shoot the slug guns, I will take pics and gladly post them.

[fabsroman]

The E.R. Shaw barrel is pretty accurate. I have shot with WT at his home range and we did pretty well at 100 yards. I won't say that I had any 1 hole groups that day, but I was really happy with the way the barrel was grouping with Barnes Expanders.

Since then, I am sure WT has done a lot more tinkering than I have because he only has to walk out his back door. I have to drive a little bit to shoot my guns.

[WT Kevorkian]

Hey Fabs, thanks, I have added the mounts you gave me and added a 3.5-10x40 vari x III, but I still have some work to do, I ran out of up adjustment and hunted with it like that, I had to aim with the bottom of the crosshair where it gets fat at 100 yards. I've since put it in the cabinet after killing a few deer with it and have carried the muzzy ever since. I'm just more confident with it and its got a lot better trigger anyhow. So anyhow, still tinkering here, but its a damn good shooting barrel thats for sure

[browning2000]

Sorry if i came off a bit harsh in the first post, I just know how challenging it is to keep all the shots in a single hole (and not a very ragged one either )with a 13LB Hart Barreled 6PPC utilizing a 36X scope and 2oz trigger, shooting free recoil off a Bald Eagle windage adjustable rest, firing sighters and picking ideal wind conditions; let alone acomplishing the same feat with the average heavy barreled smith-worked varmint gun, the above average 8lb bolt action deer rifle, the above average modern inline muzzle loader, or even the way-above average semi automatic slug gun. The slugs themselves are just not capable of averaging 1" center to center at 100yds with any real consistancy at least not in my part of the country. I'd just hate to have some newbie that is getting 2"(mean) groups to think that there is something wrong with his rig or worse yet his shooting ability, for there is nothing wrong with those types of groups at 100yds, it is pretty much the best that the guns and more importantly the ammunition that is currently available to us are capable of producing. As i said before a 1" slug gun would be a real kick in the pants to see so post up some pics of targets.

[fabsroman]

WT,

I knew I was going to have a problem with the up adjustment on my SBE because of the way the "rib" on the receiver angles upward. So, I bought some Burris Signature rings and the offset inserts to use in my gun and it works great. I had to add a lot of offset to it to get the laser bore sighter to come close, but I have plenty of play left in the scope because I got it bore sighted without having to use any windage or elevation and that also makes for a much better scope alignment. I wish Burris sold some Signature rings that I could use on my Ruger rifles that didn't look like crap; however, I guess the Ruger rings have been working pretty well over these years (i.e., don't fix what isn't broken).

Browning 2000,

I agree completely with what you said. Accuracy is all in the eye of the beholder. When I first started using a slug gun, I would take it to the range, fire 5 shots at a paper plate at 50 yards, and be extremely happy with it and then use it the next weekend to kill deer and it did quite well. I also subscribe to Rocky Raab's point of view that a hunting gun only needs to be minute of animal. In this case, minute of deer. So, any slug gun that can consistantly put the slug in the vitals of a deer at the range the shooter intends to use it is just fine. Shooting perfect groups with a slug gun is almost useless because the drop is too extreme to get the benefit of the extreme accuracy, but I still like getting my gun as accurate as possible. I like knowing that wherever that "X" is on the animal is where the sabot is going to end up if I do my part. Then, when I miss I know it was all me, not all the gun, and not partly me and partly the gun.

[WT Kevorkian]

Are you refering to small spacers added under the scope on the bottom of the back ring??? I thought about that, can I get them and use them with the Leupold rings???

[MOSSMAN]

I'm not saying that 1" groups with a sabot slug out of a rifled shotgun barrel is impossible, but there are some short falls of the round. Problems with most sabots, and I would say all rifled slugs are the design of the projectile, and manufacturing tolerances are not as uniform or consistant as our beloved standard center fire rifle ammunition causing slugs to become unstable in flight. This can explain why those who use a slug gun to hunt, and also take them to the range to sight in with several diffrent brands of slugs will see drastic diffrences from one brand, or length to another. Some times you might actually think you have a completly diffrent gun. Another way manufactures are trying to meet the demand of slug gun hunters is through velocity, 1800fps+ which to a certain point is more of a problem, for those who have your standard factory slug barel that only has 1-34" (on average) rifling, that translates to a unstable slug. Again I'm not attempting to stir up a argument, but just adding my two cents in. This is the first time I've ever heard of accuracy with a slug gun that = 1"groups @ 100 yards.

[Nulle]

Itheca is pretty hard to beat.

[cyclops]

I own 3, 1 " slug guns, and have built scores more of them. It takes time, patience and $$$$$$$$$$$$ to do it. I dont know of any that do it with off-the-shelf ammunition, consistantly. even with the custom loads,
They dont grow them on trees.
In all honesty, CONSISTENT 2 1/2 " groups with carefully selected off the shelf ammo is STILL a dead deer out to 150 yards.
Does the buck know if he was shot 2 inches off the point of aim?
Hold a ruler out 2 inches. Now, figure that you can only put 3-4 slugs in that area without over lapping. A 5 shot group leaves one big, tattered hole. Pretty impressive by any standard.

Cy

[MOSSMAN]

Cyclops your right on the $$$$ a good quality sabot off the shelf your looking at least $11-$15 for a box of five, in my area anyway! I have a question though what rate of twist are your barrles. And when your shooting 2 1/2 groups out to 150yards how high are you shooting @ 50, 75, 100 yards which are more common harvesting ranges when hunting deer in shot gun only areas. I think were starting to get to the point now when it would be far more efficiant to use a rifle.