Longest "Confirmed" in Iraq

[IchWarrior]

Originally posted by fabsroman
Is a Sierra Matchking a non-expanding bullet? I thought that all bullets had to be FMJ, non-expanding, under the rules of modern warfare. I guess it could be classified as such, even though I know we have had a couple of discussions on here about whether a Matchking bullet should be used for hunting, and several people on the board have stated it expands quite well.

Of course, I might not be completely right about the rules of modern warfare.

We never signed the Accords which laid down the law on whats human and whats not. We simply try to abide by the rules if and when we can.

Matchkings, is being use quite a bit, especcially with Spec Ops elements that have grown fond of 77 grain ammo provided by Black Hills. It retains a lot of energy out to around 600 meteres or so, much better than the 62 grain M855 ball we have now.

[BILLY D.]

YOTE AND FABSROMAN

PART OF WHAT GOT DELETED WAS MY REPLY TO A CERTAIN INDIVIDUAL WHO INSINUATED MY COMRADE, YOTE, SPOKE AN UNTRUTH. ALSO THAT HE WAS SPEWING FORTH MALE BOVINE MANURE. NO BODY IS GOING TO TELL A FELLOW VETERAN THAT IN FRONT OF ME.

I DIDN'T SPEND 27 YEARS OF MY LIFE DEFENDING MY COUNTRY AND HAVE TO LISTEN TO SUCH MEANDERINGS. I ALSO DEFENDED MY COUNTRY SO THAT THE MODERATOR COULD DO WHAT HE DID. I WAS IN VIETNAM WHEN HE WAS WETTING HIS DIDDIES, BUT THAT IS NOT RELEVANT.

OH, AND BY THE WAY WHEN WE GOT BACK FROM VIETNAM WE GOT SPIT ON AT THE AIRPORT BY "OUR COUNTRY MEN". THINK I GOT AN AXE TO GRIND, YOU BET YOUR PATOOTIE I DO. I STILL HAVEN'T FORGOTTEN AND NEVER WILL.

SO WHEN SOMEONE SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT A FELLOW SERVICEMAN PAST OR PRESENT, IN FRONT OF ME, THEY CAN EXPECT A BARAGE FROM ME. AND I'LL BE GLAD TO TAKE THE HIT FOR IT. I'VE GOT A RUBBER BALL IN MY BACKSIDE AND I'LL BOUNCE RIGHT BACK UP IF YOU KNOCK ME DOWN.

DON'T PICK ON MY FRIENDS AND COMRADES AND WE WILL GET ALONG FINE.

THANKS.

WILLIAM DOERSAM SR.
MSGT, USAF/RETIRED

[Skinny Shooter]

Yote, thanks for understanding. I could be accused of being the "EP" if I deleted a post or edited it because I didn't agree with it. Editorial police is a good one but I'd prefer the title "brown shirt"
Billy, I'm aware of the service to your country and what you've left behind in S.E. Asia per some previous posts. And wanting to help a fellow Vet is commendable.
But, when the board rules are broken, we (moderators) have to step in. We don't look to hassle members on purpose but if we didn't have some rules, this board would degenerate quickly.
Does that seem unreasonable?

Anyone that's wants to continue the conversation, please feel free to PM or email me. I'd like to hear from you.


Now that everyone has had their say let's get back to guns and shootin'.
Allen

[BILLY D.]

ALLEN

MY APOLOGIES. WHEN I READ WHAT THE PERP SAID I WENT SUB ORBITAL BALLISTIC AND SCREWED MY SELF INTO THE CEILING. AT 68 YOU'D THINK I WOULD KNOW BETTER, BUT AGE DOESN'T FIX ALL PROBLEMS.

MY GRANDPA TOLD ME WHEN I WAS A LITTLE BOY, "IF SOMETHINGS NOT RIGHT, FIX IT." THOSE WORDS HAVE BEEN IN MY COMPUTER BANK ALL MY LIFE.

I CAN CERTAINLY AGREE WITH YOUR ASSESSMENT ABOUT THE BOARDS AND HOW THINGS COULD DEGENERATE INTO SOMETHING THAT SHOULDN'T BE PUBLIC. I APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS IN NOT LETTING THAT TYPE OF THING HAPPEN. I DON'T CONSIDER YOU A "BROWN SHIRT" OR "THE EDIT POLICE". I AM A MEMBER OF OTHER FORUMS WHERE MEMBERS USE LANGUAGE THAT IS NOT THE MOST APPROPRIATE, EXCEPT IN A BARROOM, AND EVEN THEN IT WOULD BE QUESTIOABLE. SO I CAN ONLY COMMEND YOU FOR A JOB WELL DONE.

YOUR POLICY SEEMS TOTALLY REASONABLE TO ME AND YOU HAVE MY FULLEST COOPERATION. I DIDN'T GET TO SEE WHAT WAS POSTED AFTER I LET GO WITH MY SALVO BUT IT IS IRRELEVANT NOW. THANKS FOR PULLING IN THE REINS.

SINCERELY,

THANKS, BILL

[fabsroman]

So, what you are telling me is that we decided to follow the rules when it suits us and we are enforcing those rules against Iraq because they were violating them by manufacturing weapons of mass destruction and chemical weapons. Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black. In essence, we can do whatever we want, but other countries cannot.

Personally, I think we should do whatever we want because we are the strongest nation in the world. Then again, I can see why a lot of countries might not like us.

[HPBTMTCH]

How the military guys explain it to me is that FMJ ammo is when you are fighting a UNIFORMED enemy who also signed the geneva convention. If our soldiers are shooting at terrorists, they can use any bullet they want.

[fabsroman]

Okay, that makes sense. In other words, we obey the rules when we are fighting others that obey the rules, and when fighting those that don't follow the rules, all bets are off.

["yote"]

Snipers have never followed the "rules" and never will. That's the nature of the game. I know of 2 U.S military snipers who receive handloads from home loaded with Nosler BT's. (A shoulder wound that rips your arm off!). It is roumored that german snipers in WWI & WW II used bullets laced with mecury. So much for playing by the rules.

["yote"]

fabsroman, spoken like a true lawer !! (Flip-Flop & Flim-Flam).
You chose your trade in life, need I say more?

[fabsroman]

Yeah, I actually enjoy my profession most of the time. However, sometimes it does suck.

[LoneWolf]

Yote:
First let em say I agree with most of your posts on this thread.
By you backing your claims against Evan with military experience, I assume you know of what you talk. And I also understand how your temp rose when you felt offended.
But now you insult Fabsroman's profession and him personally? I think we all need to lighten up some around here... and my vote goes for ending this thread. Obviously, our own opinions are more important then civility on this one.

["yote"]

Just giving fab-man a little tickle with the ol' pheasant feather!!

By the way, I smell poop, is there a lawyer in here????
TEE-HEE-HEE!!!!

Gotta love those lawyer jokes.

[fabsroman]

Trust me, there are plenty of lawyer jokes out there, and I think I have heard them all.

["yote"]

Q: How many electricians does it take to screw in a light bulb?

A: Twenty. One to stand on the ladder and hold the light bulb
and the other 19 to sit around and drink until the room spins!!

(I'm a Union Electrician by trade)

A little candy for fabs! Enjoy.

[fabsroman]

The reason I love this site is because it is usually good for a laugh or two a day. Today was a tough day at work. I was working with a man that understands nothing about the tax code (i.e., he is in the granite counter top fabrication and installation business). He wanted to know if he could deduct the $12,000 in plastic surgery that he was paying for his girlfriend. I asked if she was a professional prostitute in Nevada or a stripper, and the answer was no so the deductibility answer was no. Even if she were a prostitute or stripper, he still wouldn't have been able to deduct the expense on his tax return because it would have been her expense. After trying to explain that to him, I told him that by taking $12,000 out of the company to pay for the surgery, he would have to pay about $3,000 in taxes next year. He couldn't understand that either. What really got him out of his chair was when I told him that his tax liability for 2004 would probably be around $30,000 or more. He has been in business for almost a year now and he is making money hand over fist. Problem is that he is a good granite guy, not a good business man, and he spends the money left and right, doesn't keep receipts for all of his "cash" business expenses, doesn't understand why he has to pay taxes on money he withdraws out of his business bank account with his ATM card, and he doesn't understand that he has to pay taxes as a small business owner (i.e., his clients do not withhold taxes like his previous employers did). What a nightmare, but this post and the rabbit post in hunting tales were good enough to get rid of some of the headache.