What's wrong with Glocks? - Page 2

Gil Martin · #16 03-17-2005, 06:28 PM

It is a personal preference thing. Never said they were evil or dangerous. I just don't like Glocks. If someone else is attracted to Glocks, that's just fine with me. All the best...
Gil

skeet · #17 03-17-2005, 07:08 PM

GROCKS are UGRY!! and plastic and terrible triggers and no safety and UGRY. Even ugryer than a Ruger semi auto 9MM

TreeDoc · #18 03-17-2005, 07:24 PM

I draw the line there, skeet!!!

Nothing, I mean NOTHING is uglier than a Ruger Semi Auto!!

Builder45 · #19 03-17-2005, 08:32 PM

The safety switch on any firearm is between your ears. Personally I chose the USP over the Glock. The magazines are hard as heck to get but the USP just felt better to me compared to the 22 or the 23

Adam Helmer · #20 03-18-2005, 05:52 PM

Builder45,

That is a cute cliche, "The safety switch on any firearm is between your ears." If you are speaking for yourself, then that is fine. What happens when you have 100 agents who are on the range only twice a year and most are NOT gun oriented?

The only nation I ever knew about that omitted a safety on their issue rifles was France. I have yet to get a good explanation why they went that route.

If you are ever present when a group of armed folks have a job to do, you will appreciate the "Load and Lock" drill and forget the "between the ears" cliche. NOT all agents are gun oriented.

Adam

skeet · #21 03-18-2005, 06:24 PM

Well TD...Ya might just be right about that Ruger thing. They do be ugry. I have one and every time I look at it I gag. It's about like having a gag Browning gag in my hands. Hey, I have 4 Browning O/U for sale. The XS models in all four gauges 12 20 28 and 410. All have screw chokes too. GAG Browning gag!! BUT I know ya like 'em TD!!

TreeDoc · #22 03-18-2005, 06:52 PM

Ohhh, very Ugry, GI!

I had a KP90DC. That thing was like a brick but it always functioned and shot real well. I started buying pretty guns like my S&W Tacticals, et al, and just never seemed to pull that big clunky P90 out of the safe. I was gonna keep it and mount some "Homey Sights" on it...you know, the sights that mount on the right side of the slide so you can shoot it "Homey style" but I traded it back to my dealer and bought something prettier. I'm pretty sure it's been used in a couple drive-bys by now!

As for those Brownings.....ehhh....Browning, Beretta, Benelli....it's all the same in my book. If it fits and is pretty and shoots I'd buy it regardless of make. They're all good guns except for the occasional lemons that they all produce.

Builder45 · #23 03-18-2005, 06:56 PM

Adam,

Believe me I know.Nathan the guy in the local gun store has a son that is a sniper in the Marines and some of the guys(not in his group) were clearing a building and, assuming you know they keep the muzzle down, in all the excitement one guy bumped the trigger delivering a three shot burst in his leg. One he should have had the safety on and two his finger shouldnt have been on the trigger. I was just making a stupid remark from A-Square's website. There is no substitute for safety and I am speaking for everybody on that one and I cant speak it enough.

Shane

gregarat · #24 03-23-2005, 05:44 PM

At first the lack of a manual safety freaked me out a bit. After I properly broke it, I like the idea of it not having a "safety".

To me, it now makes allot of sense to keep my carry piece K.I.S.S. (Keep. It. Simple. Stupid.). I try to practice with my carry pice as much as possible. Not only live fire, but allot of draw stroke, and dry fire also. After I got used to it, I didn’t mind the trigger at all.
So I am very familiar with my Glock. Not to say an accidental discharge isn’t possible, but I feel that the chance of an accidental discharge is only marginally less if you have a "safety". Like Adam said, "The safety switch on any firearm is between your ears."
That’s just my theory. I just hope I don’t ever have to test it.

I don’t mind the plastic. That just means its dishwasher safe

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PJ3 · #25 03-27-2005, 09:14 PM

I use the SW4006 on duty and of course it has a safety. The only time that I use it though, is when I place my sidearm in my wall locker to go home for the night or decocking when I'm on the range. When the weapon is on my hip, the safety is off. This year we are switching over to the Glock 22's. IMO they are more user friendly for people who do not shoot alot (even though they should) and can take the abuse of being in and out of the weather without being cleaned (some people don't believe in taking care of their weapons). I currently use a Glock for my team and have yet to have a malfunction with it although I still practice for the occasion.

I have a question. We all know that when you get into a high stress situation and we enter fight or flight, we loose our fine motor skills (such as accurate movement of individual fingers). If you have your safety on when the sidearm is in your holster, are you going to have the physical ability to push that safety to fire when it matters? This is why Glock makes the slide release so small because in those high stress situations, they want you to rely on using the whole hand, not just the finger. What do you guys think.
PJ3

TreeDoc · #26 03-27-2005, 11:31 PM

I agree PJ3.

Hey, I know what you mean about weapon abuse and dirt. Some time back one of my Crewman was pulled over by a California Highway Patrolman commercial enforcement officer while I was traveling down the road behind them. They carry the 4006 here in Calif also. While he was doing his check of the brakes, suspension, etc I was talking with him and noticed his sidearm. It was absolutely HAMMERED like you could never imagine because of all the crawling under trucks he does all day. He said he had to clean it every single day because of the abuse. I could personally see the Glock being a real advantage in that case.

Nulle · #27 05-26-2005, 09:20 PM

Our Dept. has the 45 cal Glock and we all like it but I guess it is what you are used to and trained with.
I started out with the 357 Smith Wheel gun and at that time I thought it was the best.

Esox357 · #28 05-28-2005, 11:33 AM

Glocks are a great firearm that are simple to use, ie point and shoot, just like a DA revolver. They have proven 100% reliable for me and others I know who use them. The design is simple and well made. Though not pleasing to the eye they are combat accurate, durable, and dead reliable. Everything I value in a duty/self defense firearm!
Glocks are in use by a considerable amount of military units and police agencies worldwide. The original glock 17 9mm was used by the Austrian Army.
For the price and what you get you would be hard pressed finding a more reliable firearm. Esox357

Slim-Zippy · #29 06-01-2005, 11:27 AM

I have both a 1911 and a Glock 27. The1911 is what I learned with many years ago and is very familiar and what I carry the most. Both shoot better than I do. I would never carry a Glock without a holster. Yes Glocks are ugly and 1911 take more maintenance. If I go to the beach and think I might get wet or if I will be in a particulary active or dirty enviroment I carry the Glock. My Glock appears to be dishwasher safe, but my 1911 takes a little more effort and time to field strip it and clean.

1911 is a vestige of a time gone by that was more civil and elegant, when people acted with some sense of moral values and courtesy for each other. To me a 1911 is a well fuctioning classy neccessity that I enjoy carrying. It also reminds me to act like a citizen and be proud of my country where I can carry a defensive weapon. of course this is just my opinion of why I and others carry the 1911.