Bolt action brush gun?

[earschplitinloudenboomer]

Model 7 is a neat little package.

[Rocky Raab]

Good choices all. The 308 is more than enough for black bears. Heft a few and one of them will whisper "Take me home."

That'll be the one to buy.

Oh, BTW, the Browning also comes in the matte, plainer Micro-Hunter. A Hunter it is, too.

[Hi Ball]

Model 70, I have just the ticket for your Brush Gun!

How about a British .303 jungle carbine? I have one and it is the "Cat's Meow" for the brush country.

If that doesn't suit your fancy, then a wore out model 70 with a new .338 caliber or .358 caliber barrel attached and your go to go, it don't get anybetter. Just keep that barrel length to 22 inches. I am affraid any shorter and you will have to much muzzle blast, if you run close to Max handloads in the rifle.

[Jack]

First deer rifle I ever owned was an 18" barreled 308.
I still have it. The rifle wore peep sights for a long time, but now has a Pentax 0-4x scope on it.
I doubt there would be much difference in velocity between a 20" barrel and an 18" barrel. Out of my 18", Nosler 165 partitions give a velocity of 2600 with a not particularly hot handload.
Can't say I've ever shot a bear with it, but if I got the chance, I'd use that rifle and load with no worries.

[Evan03]

rem 700 lv sf 308

[billy ahring]

I don't believe that big green chambers the .308 in the lvsf. They used to chamber 7-08 but I don't see it listed anymore. All varmint calibers, no deer cals. which I think is a shame I think there is a market for just that kinda gun. I'd consider one but then again I'd consider just about anything.

Later

Billy

[gumpokc]

I've got two "bolt action brush guns".

1 is a sporterised .303 SMLE, the second is a M44 carbine.

Unless your just looking to spend money, or find something that you just really want to have, then some of these old milsurps cant be beat.

good pricing, decent cartridges, more accurate than you'd think, what more can you ask for?

[Evan03]

i thought they chamberd it but dropped it this year. along with the 7mm08.

[Evan03]

did some checkn on the 308 lv sf and it does exsist.

i checked on the 308 but now that i think about it there were 3 mediam calibers i think, 7mm08, maybe 260 and the 308

my guess is you may still find some chamberd in 308 on the new gun racks and remington might still be shipping them outa theyre factory. they might have punched out a bunch of 30cal lv sf barrels and are just now gettting them all screwd together and to dealers.

if anyones interested the 308 is out there and can be had, it makes one heck of perfect all around acurate hunting rifle that you can carry all day long

Evan

[PJgunner]

My choice would be a Ruger 77 RSI (The International) in .308 Win. Bullets of choice would be either the 165 gr. Speer Hot-core or the 180 gr. Sierra Pro-hunter in round nose form. Using Winchester brass, I would load the 165 gr. bullet with 49.0 gr. of W-760 for 2550 FPS. (That's what My three RSI rifles deliver.) For the 180 gr. Sierra, 48.0 gr. of the same powder with Winchester brass.
My preference is for the 165 gr. bullet, although the 180 is more accurate. but then, I'm usually hunting deer, not bear. Of all the deer taken witht he 165 gr. bullet, only one has been recovered. All the others had the bullet pass completely though the deer. No deer went more than thirty feet after being shot. it's a darn good load.
I also must be totally honest here. The RSI can be a temperamental rifle. certainly they are not the most accurate either, but they have a class that is all their own, being about the closest to a genuine Mannlicher-Schoenaur in feel I've been able to find. ( I had two which were stolen.) The loads mentioned have, so far, proven to be the most accurate from my three rifles. None of them like 180 gr. spitzers at all, producing patterns with every bullet I've tried. The 150 gr. bullets are 2.5-3.0" bullets at best, 180 gr. Spitzers 3.0=-4.0" at best. The 165 gr. Speer will do 1.25-1.50" consistantly and the 180 gr. Sierra round nose is the real winner at .75". Go figure.
Just find one of these rifles and pick it up. Swing it to your shoulder and try the feel. Believe me, you just might get hooked. Put a low power 2.5 or 3X scope on it and you'll be good to go. Mine have 1.75x6X Simmons Whitetail Expedition scopes on them at present. Not too bad a scope, but at least one was easily knocked out of zero when my wife fell in some rocks.
I'm thinking of dumping most of my variable scopes anyway. For most of my hunting, depending on the rifle a 3,4, or 6X scope will do just fine for 99 percent of the hunting I do.
Paul B.

[model 70]

when you say the 165 is more accurate, do you mean in just your rifle?

[Jack]

PJ, try some AA2520 powder with 165's in your 308.
In mine (18" bbl), H414 (same as 760) produced 2450 fps with a compressed load. AA2520 gives 2600 fps at similar pressure. Accuracy is about the same, maybe a hair better with 2520.
BTW, 2520 is a ball powder, as is 760 and 414.

[PJgunner]

Originally posted by model 70
when you say the 165 is more accurate, do you mean in just your rifle?

I have three of these rifles. What can I say, I like them a lot.

The 180 gr. Sierra round nose is the most accurate in all three rifles.

The 165 gr. Speer is the second most accurate in all three rifles, and does quite well in several other rifles I have chambered to the .308 Win.

The 150 gr. bullet is the third most accurate and the 180 gr. spitzer types, heck forget about them.

This seems to be a pattern in all three Ruger 77 RSI rifles that I have. I haven't figured out why.
Paul B.

[hofts]

hows about the new ruger scout!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[PJgunner]

Originally posted by Jack
PJ, try some AA2520 powder with 165's in your 308.
In mine (18" bbl), H414 (same as 760) produced 2450 fps with a compressed load. AA2520 gives 2600 fps at similar pressure. Accuracy is about the same, maybe a hair better with 2520.
BTW, 2520 is a ball powder, as is 760 and 414.

Jack. Another powder that is supposed to be great in the .308 is W-748. In fact, Winchester says it was developed expressly for the .308. Yet, although I can get higher velocity with W-748, accuracy totally sucks. I've tried just about all the powders that are said to be best for the .308 including both versions of 4895, the IMR's 4064, 4320, W-748, and RL-15. W-760 outshoots them all when it comes to groups. I've passed that load to others that have RSI's and they've all said accuracy was improved. I certainly don't have the answer on all this, but that's the way it's worked out.
I have no problem hunting with that load (165 gr.) for deer, black bear, hogs, or even elk if I can get within 200 yards or less of the elk. Even that 180 gr. RN would work just fine out to about 200 yards.
I'll have to look at that AA2520, but based on past history in those three rifles? Who knows.
Paul B.