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Old 12-02-2005, 02:24 PM
Cossack Cossack is offline
 
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Gunslick foam was not been very effective for me either. One of my Contender barrels had copper at the muzzle so I foamed and let it stand.. twice. Copper still there. CR 10 took care of it . I also find it messy. No matter what I do it either backs out of the chamber &/or the bore, into the mag well in rifles or into the action in handguns I'm back to my"lotions" from now on: CR, Sweets, Boreshine and JB if really leaded.
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Old 12-02-2005, 03:35 PM
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cleaning

any time you clean a gun it is messy unless you use a bore snake.sure the foam backs up if you do not have the sprayer far enough down the barrel.none of the foams will remove copper.if you are finding copper thgen you need to check what bullets you are using
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Old 12-13-2005, 06:56 PM
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Any cleaner with ammonia is going to create the "blue" that we all talk about because ammonia (NH3) is going to react with any small trace of copper.

These foaming cleansers claim no ammonia so it is my guess that they might have some form of nitrogen or maybe another element reacts with copper in such a way to get "blue".

Regardless, cleaning is over rated, unless you just have a bore that fouls overly so very rapidly. Most completely clean bores don't settle down until after a few fouling shots, so why care about getting the bore squeaky clean?

I didn't get gobs of blue when I used gunslick but I did get a few transparent blue drops dripping out of my barrel. A couple of patches through followed with a couple patches of Hoppes and everything was very clean. I set out to do this "thorough" cleaning after feeling that my groups were opening up some. Granted I hadn't cleaned in 100 plus rounds. Maybe a bore snake with Hoppes some where in there.

I think it more so depends on condition of the bore (rough vs smooth) and what bullets you are shooting. If shooting Barnes monolithic copper bullets you are going to be laying down more copper for sure because it is more pure and malleable. While say nosler ballistic tips or accubonds seem to shoot very clean because the "copper jacket" is of a bit "harder" copper alloy. Thus it doesn't lay down as much copper, and I find shoots cleaner. I think if you're getting relatively clean patches after the foaming cleaner and your bore looks shiny....then go shoot....if the groups are settling how you like, then who cares if an ammonia based cleaner is still bringing blue patches. We're here to shoot accurately, not clean pristinely.....
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Old 12-13-2005, 08:46 PM
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Well put.
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Old 12-14-2005, 08:02 AM
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Foaming bore cleaner

I've used both of the foaming bore cleaner and wasn't all that impressed. But I really, like Rocky and StokedC, don't feel you have to get the bore all squeaky clean anyway.
As an aside..on the Foul out electric cleaner. I have one and it is a pain to use..BUT...on a badly fouled bore it is the cat's meow. When it gets done..that bore is CLEAN. Then you just have to go out and waste a bunch of bullets getting it dirty again . It really does work well on bores that are a bit rough. I used it on a friends 86 Winchester that just refused to shoot worth a darn. Good groups were 6"...at 50 yds!. After cleaning with the foul out(Lead cleaner) the bore looked completely different. Shot to a much lower point of impact and a 3" group at a 100 yds was about average for him. Fore me?? Well ...never mind! Did shoot better than it had for years. Shoulda seen the stuff on that rod when it came out too....and the juice looked terrible
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Old 01-10-2006, 11:01 PM
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I used the Gunslick Foaming bore cleaner on three of my rifles. The first two were my 25-06 and 300 Ultra-Mag. On these it did not seem to do much. The bores got clean, but no faster, or better than Butch's Bore Shine does (and Butch's smells better).

The last rifle, an SKS I just bought, the results were different. My father also got one and I cleaned his bore with Butch's. Patch after patch I sent through and they came out black. Nasty deep, lots o' gunk black. There was blue mixed in at first, but by and large they stayed black. It took one two hour session, and a second session of an hour and a half before you could call it clean(ish). For mine I tried the Gunslick Foaming Bore Cleaner. Three bores full of foam and it was clean. The first batch of foam to come out looked like something that comes out of a backed up septic tank. The second looked bad, the third was pretty good. It was a lot quicker and easier.

I think the foaming cleaner will be my choice on a heavily (hasn't been cleaned in years) fouled bore. Other than that I will stick with Butch's.
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