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With the conditions that were presented, I guess I expected similar results to what I got. The problem being that shot opportunities range from up close and personal to 450 yards or so (maybe I need to carry 2 rifles??? LOL!). I haven't shot the load through a chronograph yet, but according to the manual the velocity should be over 3200 fps. That would be plenty to cause massive bullet fragmentation at that distance. I'll try it out at longer ranges if possible before ditching the load.
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nothing wrong with that. both very good big game bullets
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My buddy uses the 140 grain NBT loaded one grain over max in his 7 rem mag. He occasionally gets some blood shot meat but not nearly the softball exits as alot of people mention. They look alot like WYT-Tail's photo. He likes them alot and continues to use them. Esox357
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gd357,
I wouldn't abandon the load all together take it out and blow up praire dogs. But if you want something to stand up to close to distant shot from your 7mm Mag try 150gr Scirocco you will find it to be very accurate and long for caliber with a high BC. This thing will also level anything from 5-500 yards without blowing up. I know this for sure I have used it myself in a 7mm RUM with great results. It would alieviate the need for 2 rifles at once. You should get a good amount of velocity out of it also.
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i think what we have here is the need for miracle pill. we want our bullet to perfrom to our standerds no matter the situation we put it in. wether it be close far broadside quarteing away or standing on its head.
the sinple truth is atleast this is how i see it. there is not one bullet on the market that can meet all my critera. by loading nbts im makeing a compromise. better at acuracy at the cost of bullet perfromance. i have not used the nbts inside 150yds nor have i used them past 200 on biggame. i do know at the 200 mark they work great. i just now got to thinkn well why not sacrifice alittle acuracy for a bullet that is built tougher like the partition. it might not be as acurate but id be able to kill game from 0 to 400yds with well placeded shot. however i might have deer walk off on me due to lack of exspansion at close range. but i wont do that the nbt is the one bullet im holding my confidence in. all my rifles shooting them acurate. and ive got all kinds of confidence in the bullet. load up some paretitions and acuracy degrades and and confidence falls. so basicaly what im getting at is that all these bullets mentioned will work. and that the condidence in you pill and load will be all you need to get the job done Evan |
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Evan03,
I initially started out looking for a more frangible bullet design as a result of several questionable experiences with tougher bullets. I shot a mature doe with a 160 gr partition out of the 7 mag, and she went 300 yards before dropping on a double lung shot. She had a ton of fat, so there was no blood trail, and with no snow, it was just persistance and luck that we found her. I guess I'm just quibbling over details, since I'd much rather have a little bloodshot meat than have difficulty finding the animals. No doubt terminal performance was exceptional, and you couldn't ask for a shorter trail. I can't say that the bullet failed because on both occaisions they exited despite high impact velocity, and a design to open quickly. I guess I can't complain, and having had time to think it over, I'm content with the results. I didn't put the proper thought into how they would expand at that distance, but they still did the job, and in the end, that's what I was looking for in the first place. gd
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I still say that a Hornady SST is as accurate as a Nosler BT but less frangible. I also agree with the fact that is no one perfect bullet for all conditions.
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115gr 25caliber
gd357,
I shot a caribou with the the 115 Ballistic Tip from a 257 Weatherby @3450fps and found the bullet completetl pealed back to the base in the off shoulder. (See Proof in Photo section Caribou 2005). I shot that animal at a range of 337 yards in the neckright side slightly quatering towards me and into the off shoulder. I was suprised that the bullet deformed that much at that distance BUT I did hit a lot of bone. My first 'bou tha trip I shot at 125 yards and destroyed the lungs with a 2 !/2" exist wound. It went about 40 yards and piled up. My first experience with Bal Tips was not pleasing. I have since had very good luck with the jacketing change. My first experience was a doe at 60 yards broaside, 7mm-08 a 150 grain BT @2500 FPS and the exit hole was huge, the size of a grape fruit, she did not go anywhere but I knew then this was not practical for deer in the front shoulder, back then. They are a much better bullet know. I have taken antelope beyound 600 with a 55 grain out of a 220 Swift in the lungs, dead in 25 yards. Same experience with a 22-250 on a whitetail doe at 385 yards in the heart, complete destruction of the heart and no 'meat' damage. In the woods here in Pa though I use Speer Hot cores exclusively. Shot placement is utmost importance with any bullet, but a well constructed bullet helps of placement.
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Nosler Ballistic Tips
I use the 95 gr BT in my .243 with a load of 42 grs of H414, and I have killed seven deer with this load, the nearest about 20 yds, and the farthest about 210 yds, and I have yet to have one run over about 20 yds, with most dropping in their tracks! The deer shot at 20 yds ran the farthest, and she had an exit wound about 4 inches in diameter! The one shot at about 210 yds, had an exit wound about 6 inches, and he dropped in his tracks! In each case, the BT performed superbly! I have also used BTs in my .270 and 7 mag, with equal results! I love the BTs!
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I have used 139gr Hornady SST's in a 7mm-08 to take 2 deer and 1 pronghorn antelope all 1 shot kills none running more that a couple yards from where they were hit. No exit holes over an 1-1/2 to 2 in. all were shot inside 150 yards they are very reliable bullets. I think they are the most accurate and deadly non-bonded bullets for deer and antelope sized game for the money. With more reliable expansion than BT's I will keep using them but this has just been my experience and if people find results that they're looking for in BT's that's all that matters.
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If you really want to see DRT, shoot a 140gr B-Tip @ 3,500 ft/sec into a whitetail's chest at 50 yards. The deer will be dead before its body hits the deck.
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Or at least what's left of the body will hit the deck.
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I purchased a box of Nosler 6mm Bal. Tips recently and was surprised to find they were flat based. I had previously noticed only boat tails. I've also heard the jackets are thicker in todays bullets so maybe Nosler is listenig to the complaints about the Balistic Tips fragmentiung so badly. Let's hope so. Best wishes.
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The new BT's are pretty tough. I use the 140gr Combined Technology bullets out of my 7STW at 3400fps. They carry through and leave quarter sized exit holes.
I have posted on this forum pics of a 160gr Partition that absolutely grenaded on a whitetail at 3250fps. I have it somewhere if anyone wishes.
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I have a Ruger 7 mag and with the NBT it performs great. These bullets are not made for subsonic velocities. They are designed to open up on contact.
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