manners

[skeet]

I think you all are right. The lack of civility in today's population of people is unbelieveable. I can be friendly with a rock...talk to anyone. If they treat me badly...well I just learned a lesson and don't try to strike up a conversation any more. BUT I really won't treat them in a nasty manner.. Unless they make me. Too bad about missing deer season like that Fabs. Hey DD I was talking with my hunting partner today. We're going to set up a duck hunt on the Nanticoke River for right after the season comes back in. I'll let you know. Still some Teal down that way. Friend is a caretaker of a RSA in Dorchester county. He called last night to see if I wanted to go down this AM. Call came too late for today though. 2 for 2 today. But these are really good tolling geese. 20 yd shots...or less if I get to call the shot

[fabsroman]

I'll agree with everybody about how people are just terrible in general. If I told you half the stories I have about people being mean, I would be here for weeks, maybe even months.

Hunting has been tough this year, but at least better than last year. Where I usually hunt on opening day, the landowner is in California and he has been letting a guy stay at the farm house the past several months. I've hunted with them before, but for some reason I just don't think I am very welcome up there, with maybe the exception of the farm owner. I have hunted up there on opening day for the past 10 years because it was more like a party than actually hunting. I have another place to hunt but just don't feel like going tomorrow.

I also have a spot to hunt deer right down the road from me, but won't be able to get out there until Monday when my buddy can go. The land is pretty much park land and the deer over there are insane. The geese and ducks are crazy too, but I cannot get permission to hunt them. The only reason I have permission to hunt the deer is because they have crop damage permits and the park is allowing us to kill them. This place is 5 minutes from my house so it makes it all the sweeter.

At the end of the day, I think I am just going to have to buy a boat next year and hunt on some public land over by Elliott's Island or somewhere thereabout.


Del,

I hear you loud and clear about the kids being priority #1. That is how it was with my dad and that is how it will be with me. I will never forget the first time I was supposed to tag along on a dove hunt. My dad was going to pick me up from home when I got home from school (i.e., kindergarten). I didn't want to admit that I was sick, but my mom figured it out and also figured out that I had a fever. Well, my dad scrapped the hunt and stayed home with me. I remember another time that he stayed home with me when I was sick and we didn't go hunting. That night he came into the bedroom with all kinds of ammo and we started going over what everything was. I think he knew I was addicted at a young age.

The first pheasant I "killed" I have some serious doubt about. I think I hit him, but I know my dad pulled the trigger too. He told me that I killed it and I was really happy, but being the thinking type of kid I was, I have always wondered if he shot it. To this day, he denies that he shot it and continues to say he was shooting at the other bird that came up. I guess it doesn't really matter because I connected on another bird that day and I was the only one that shot. I'll never forget that day either and I can remember exactly where the birds came up on the farm, the A-5 I was using, and the shells I was using. My mom even tool a picture me and my two brothers that day and I included it in my wedding video. I just wish my dad had been in that picture too.

At the end of the day, people can say whatever they want about me, but they had better not let me hear them saying anything bad about my dad. I hope your kids will feel the same way toward you.

[TreeDoc]

I gotta new pet peeve about waterfowlin' and it goes like this;

I hate leaving at 3 a.m. Friday morning to make the 6 hour drive to my club to start a Fri, Sat, and Sun hunt weekend with my wife, approach the off ramp at my exit only 30 minutes (8:45am) from my club only to hear some unusual squealing/grinding sound upon application of my brakes which then turns to serious shudder, grinding, and whining just as I come to a complete stop only to have my front end nearly shake off and my front right tire blow up!

I hate it even more that as I get out to inspect the damage in the 25 mph wind it starts downpouring forcing me into my rainsuit which then allows me to realize that my front brake caliper has COME OFF and has ground completely through the alloy wheel and destroyed it.

I really hate ratchet strapping my caliper to my torsion bar and putting on my spare tire to crawl to the nearest podunk town 3 miles down the road with only my emergency brake to stop only to find that no 14mm x 35mm bolt exists ANYWHERE within 45 miles of my position and having to wait 5.5 hours sitting on the curb doing nothing but watching the first good weather day we've had this season turn to blue skies in said podunk town while the parts runner from a shop makes his delivery run and picks up said bolts from dealer.

I hate it when I finally make it safely to the club about 15 minutes from the end of shooting time to watch duck after duck pour into my spread to feed on my rice all night only to fly off hours before shoot time this morning literally leaving the skies completely barren of ANY ducks!

I hate cutting the trip short because of bluebird skies and driving 6 hours home the next day to arrive home and find 9000 emails in my inbox notifying me that you kooks have been posting up in here since I left and I should have just stayed here to share in the conversation!

[fabsroman]

TD,

Sounds like some of the hunting adventures I have had. Sorry to hear about what happened. How did the bolt on the brake caliper break? I have never heard of such a thing happening and if it is a manufacturing defect you can bet I would be all over Ford about it. I did have the rods on my Taurus' calipers freeze/rust tight. These are the rods that slide into the hardware that holds the calipers to the car. Essentially, the caliper bolts screw into these rods. It was a chore getting them out and replacing them and I am still hearing a little squeking back there that I will probably check out in the spring.

Hope you get the chance to get back out and get at those ducks.

[TreeDoc]

Fabs,
Actually, the bolts didn't break. What happened is the lower bolt of the two that hold the caliper on just fell out somewhere on the road between my break-down point and where I had filled up with gas some 2.5 hours prior. Because the lower bolt was missing, as I applied my brake when approaching the exit, it allowed the caliper to pivot back and come in contact with the wheel which if I had been able to tell what was going on I could have got off the brake and gone to my e-brake and trailer brake since I was towing my ATV back to the club. Not knowing what was causing the sound I naturally continued to brake as I approached the stop sign at the top of the offramp. The more I wanted to stop, the worse it got until it simply ground right through the alloy wheel essentially cutting it in half before it finally broke through and the air escaped rapidly causing me to think I had a blow out.

I personally did the brakes on the truck about 10,000 miles ago but I know I torqued the bolts. I forgot and my wife reminded me that I just had some warranty work on the front driveline because an inner 4WD axle actuator failed and it wouldn't lock the front axle in when in 4WD. They had to disassemble the whole right front axle housing to fix it and I'm pretty confident that included removing the caliper and wheel assy. The sad part is that it is a friend who works at the dealer that did the work but I'm going in Monday to investigate the repair procedure to see if they had the caliper off. If they did, then the dealer is buying me a new alloy wheel. This work was done a few weeks ago right before I drove the rig on a 2200 mile round trip to Colorado. Damn, how fun would this have been in the middle of the Utah high desert?

[fabsroman]

That is why I hate taking my vehicles to the dealer even for warranty work. When I do the work it is usually done right and nobody is screwing with anything on the vehicle they aren't supposed to or forgetting to tighten/torque bolts or over torguing bolts.

My sister's mechanic stripped the threads to the oil pan for the oil pan bolt. Another guy told me he caught the guy at Jiffy Lube using the largest wrench possible to tighten the oil pan bolt and he was cranking on it. According to the story, the guy caught him just in time.

On another occassion, right after I did a tune up on my buddy's car he took it into Jiffy lube 3,000 miles later to get the oil changed. They told him he needed a bunch of tune up stuff (e.g., air filter) and I had just replaced it about 3,000 miles prior.

I won't even start about the list of repair/tune-up items that the service clerk listed for my wife's Sonata when we took it in for warranty work. I found out that the service clerks work on commission based upon how many repairs they can sell.

Sorry to hear that it was your friend that did the repair. That really sucks. You would think that your friend would have paid special attention to your baby.

As far as continuing to use the brakes after hearing the noise, I have been guilty of that when the pads are worn down to the rivets.

[rubicon]

I know Im jumping forum but just got back from a West Virginia deer hunt at my cabin. Opening morning i went to my ladder stand which has been in the same spot for three years. Although it was dark there were no human foot prints in the snow. I seldom see any hunters up there. I climbed up in the stand, still dark, and waited untill daylight. Granted, I am up in a tree, but there shure arent any leaves up there this time of year and I had a blaze orange vest on as required by wv dnr. Right after first dawn this guy comes by on a four wheeler, gets off the bike and sits down on a rock facing me about 30 yards away. After about 10 minutes he lays his rifle down beside him and gets out a radio and starts listening to music. No headphones. I climbed out of my stand and startled the dude. He had been staring at me without seeing me. So much for opening morning.

[kt]

here is one for you all, i have a couple of buddies which for whatever reason i dont get out much with, if im smashing birds a week or so we talk about it and try to get together to smash some with company. here is where it gets funky, i take them to my spot, put out my set up that has been killing birds and before its light out they feel the need to tell me to put out fewer birds, move these birds here, the set up would work better if i did this or just start moving MY dekes! the occasional suggestion is cool but its annoying in time. such folk get themselves left at home!

[BILLY D.]

Originally posted by fabsroman
That is why I hate taking my vehicles to the dealer even for warranty work. When I do the work it is usually done right and nobody is screwing with anything on the vehicle they aren't supposed to or forgetting to tighten/torque bolts or over torguing bolts.

My sister's mechanic stripped the threads to the oil pan for the oil pan bolt. Another guy told me he caught the guy at Jiffy Lube using the largest wrench possible to tighten the oil pan bolt and he was cranking on it. According to the story, the guy caught him just in time.

On another occassion, right after I did a tune up on my buddy's car he took it into Jiffy lube 3,000 miles later to get the oil changed. They told him he needed a bunch of tune up stuff (e.g., air filter) and I had just replaced it about 3,000 miles prior.

I won't even start about the list of repair/tune-up items that the service clerk listed for my wife's Sonata when we took it in for warranty work. I found out that the service clerks work on commission based upon how many repairs they can sell.

Sorry to hear that it was your friend that did the repair. That really sucks. You would think that your friend would have paid special attention to your baby.

As far as continuing to use the brakes after hearing the noise, I have been guilty of that when the pads are worn down to the rivets.

hey fabs

i hope you remembered to top off the turn signal fluid and grease the muffler bearings. sheeeeeesh, i hate shoddy maintenance. he. he.

[fabsroman]

Billy,

I use nothing but the best fluids. DOT 4 turn signal fluid and red Mobil 1 synthetic muffler bearing grease. There is nothing worse than a noisy turn signal and muffler. Today, I told the neighbor next door that about the only thing left for me to do on my place was some baseboard and the installation of a compressor in my garage. He looked at me dumbfounded when I mentioned the compressor. I had to tell him that it was to run air tools for working on my cars and other things. The entire reason he came over was to look at what I had done to my place. Sad thing is that he is imitating what I have done. Of course, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

[TreeDoc]

Fab's, make sure he isn't setting you up for trouble with the HOA and your "noisy" compressor!

btw....what type of lubrication do you use on your chain drive picture tube?

[fabsroman]

TD,

You had me worried there for a minute, so I went back and read my HOA agreement. Boy do I hate those things.

There is a nuisance paragraph in the Agreement, but there is no definition. If my running the compressor a couple of times a month qualifies as a nuisance, the rest of the area had better be really good. I would love for a Court to hold that my actions constitute a nuisance because I would hold everybody else to the same precedent. The guy next door makes as much noise as I do, if not more, and he has had a piece of plywood in place of a window on the lower level because his previous tenant broke the window. Yeah, it would be fun to receive a complaint from my neighbors.

What is funny is that I received a letter earlier in the year accusing me of dumping my remodel waste in the Condo Association dumpster. Of course I didn't do that, especially since I have a truck and the dump is only 10 minutes away and free. I was pissed. I wrote the HOA management company a response and asked for evidence, and they said that the person who reported it must have had the wrong address and it happens a lot.

I HATE HOA's, but as far as mine is concerned, it hasn't been too bad. According to the Agreement, we aren't supposed to have satellite dishes, but almost everybody does. There is also a limitation on the number and size of pets, but people have broken this too.

At the end of the day, I prefer to be nice to everybody around me, but I can be mean if I have to.

[skeet]

What ?? A mean attorney?? Say it ain't so...say it ain't so!!! Fabs I don't think you have a mean bone in your body...well...... maybe that thick skull your daddy told me about. Really enjoyed meeting him.

[tjwatty]

Here's a good one for you guys.
On Tuesday we had a good day, we shot a mallard that went across the river to the dike. My son and another fella went after it, the blind in front of us shot at a duck, missed, then went to the dike. When my boys flushed the cripple into the river, they shot it(the other guys), grabbed it and went back. Needless to say I had a conversation with them at the dock the next AM. I just told them that if something like that ever happened again I would have to let the CPO know about their inability to distinguish canvasbacks from other ducks and their inability to count since I'm 250 yards away and saw them shoot 24 ducks on an 18 limit.

I love public hunting!!!!!!

[fabsroman]

I hate those bastards all the way around. Don't get me wrong, I hunt hard but I obey the laws. It wasn't always like that, but I was younger and wasn't taught otherwise.

In my profession, I see people trying to bend the rules and others that break them completely. I just wish we had enough law enforcement and IRS agents to inforce everything.

Okay, that is my rant on the shooting over the limit and shooting out of season.

Regarding the civility of the whole thing, that pisses me off too, just not as bad. I used to dove hunt with a group of my dad's and uncles friends. Those guys would call every bird as their own. I would shoot a bird, see it crumple, hear them fire, and then watch them go out and pick up the bird. They never even asked if I got it or not. If I were to knock down a bird without anybody else shooting and it was only clipped, these guys would keep it if they got to it before me, it tried to fly away, and they shot it.

Back then, it was fine with me because I got to shoot all day instead of just for a couple of hours and I didn't want to argue over a dove. Still don't want to argue over a dove, duck, or goose. I have thought about the scenario of arguing over a big buck and probably would call the game warden if there was an issue.

The game laws are a little grey on what counts as your bag limit. I have heard some game wardens say that wounded birds count, others say that downed birds count even if you cannot retrieve them, and still others say that only the ones reduced to your possession count. For instance, whose bag limit does that bird count toward? The person that knocked it down or the person that finished it off and took it home? I would guess the latter.

At the end of the day, I think everybody should offer the recovered game to the initial shooter and let the initial shooter decide if he/she wants it. To me, killing a wounded bird isn't sporty at all and it should be given back to the first shooter.

Now, what about a wounded buck? There is a ton of grey area here. Was the first shot a mortal shot, would the first shooter have been able to recover the buck if it weren't for the second shooter (i.e., would the buck have gone across the county before dying), for close were the two shooters to each other, how long could the buck have lived after the first shot? Believe it or not, there is actually case law on this in some states.