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05-10-2007, 11:40 AM
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Yeah buddy but keep in mind I am not "technically" an officer. I am carrying concealed on my person with a valid CHL, but I am by no means a "certified LEO". Therefore the rules apply to me as though I were any other joe walking down the street with a CHL.
I dunno I have not LIKED the idea of glasers since the get go. The PROBLEM is that I don't have alot of choice, but it has been recommended to me to use a fragible bullet by the department heads for the very reason I stated. We actually have had a person in our area (not on campus) who shot a suspect charging him with a knife. The bullet penetrated the suspect and the rear window of a suburban (and lodged in the back seat). The VICTIM was charged with damaged to private property, reckless discharge of a firearm, and reckless endangerment. The judge in the cast threw out reckless endangerment because there was not anybody actually IN the suburban. He gave him deferred adjudacation on the reckless discharge because he WAS defending his life. The damaged to private property charge stood, and he was made to pay for the damage. (Personally I think the perp should have had to pay for it but bleh) The problem comes in that SINCE the damage to private property stood that means that in theory had the bullet hit somebody he could have been tried under the transfered intent laws. Thats what worries me is all the liberals out there in the courts. SOOOOO anybody know of another good non-handload frangible bullet solution or the like? Remember please no +P rounds. Wouldn't it be nice to just load the bugger up with 158 grain HPs and not have to worry about all this? GoodOlBoy
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05-10-2007, 02:01 PM
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Hey GOB
That judge needs to be adjudicated mentally incompetent!..Again...does the dept you are not an officer of use glaser bullets? And they allow concealed carry on the campus...for any licensed individual? Not arguing..just wondering! If so they are a Lot smarter than the University of Va!!
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05-10-2007, 04:09 PM
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Nope not allowed per say but it can be left in my vehicle. My vehicle is parked apporx 22 feet from my office door.
As for Glassers no our officers don't use glassers on duty (some of them carry them in their off duty guns). They use anywhere from 9mm ball ammo to 45 starfire HPs. It is actually left up to the officers. GoodOlBoy
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05-10-2007, 04:59 PM
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A real shame ya can't carry. I have used some of the Starfire 45's and they are pretty good loads..or have been for me. Haven't had to shoot anyone with them...yet...but that may be coming!
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05-10-2007, 05:50 PM
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GOB, here's what I'd do. I'd ask the plainclothes detectives what they carry in their snubbie .38s. If it's issue ammo, or "recommended" for officer carry, that's what I'd get. And I'd carry it with confidence. It'll work if the need arises.
And if it ever came up in court, your attorney can say, "That's the ammo our own city police carry, and my client used it BECAUSE that's what the city police use.
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05-10-2007, 11:07 PM
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Hey Rocky
As usual the best answer and as usual it seems to be the easiest answer
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05-11-2007, 12:53 AM
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I think Rocky's hit on a very cogent idea.
Now, GOB, as I recall, Remington makes a line of pistol ammo called Golden Saber.... And Federal used to make a line called Nyclad, that was lead bullet in a dark blue plastic coating.... So, if you need to color coordinate, there are a few more options
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05-11-2007, 09:05 AM
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Golden Saber
I was trying to remember that name. Someplace around here I have a 1/2 case of Golden Saber 45's and they shoot really good out of most of my 45 auto's. Also the Nyclads were really pretty good ammo. Originally S&W manufacture(Alcan)
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05-11-2007, 09:23 AM
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Yeah ya would figure Rocky would come up with the simplest response. I only WISH I could find golden sabers in 38 special. I have used them in my 45s, and have even shot a rabid dog with one and I have to say WOW. Most effective HP I have ever seen. The two plainclothes we have both carry autos for backup, HOWSOMEVER the Asst Chief and the Chief used to carry snubbies for backup. Both are out today but I WILL find out what they used to carry in them.
You know it is a sad sad thing but we do not have a SINGLE officer carrying a revolver anymore. We had a gentleman who carried a DA S&W 4" in 44 mag several years back but he retired last year. He was the last. Myself I am still looking around for a good 4" 357 to start budgeting for down the road. Anyway good suggestion Rocky like I said I will check into it. As for Nyclads I had read about how good they are. Now try to find a box of them for sale. GoodOlBoy
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05-11-2007, 11:33 AM
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GOB, will this work:
http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpag...eitemid=211732 Not sure if they are +P though. Or this: http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpag...eitemid=235724
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05-11-2007, 12:12 PM
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I dunno about the hollowpoints but that is the first place I have seen lead wadcutters for sale. I will order a box wether they work or not.
GoodOlBoy
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05-11-2007, 12:15 PM
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This was the other one I HAVE been looking at.
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/87386-4209-169.html But yet again the concern over hps worries me with this ammo. GoodOlBoy
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05-11-2007, 12:32 PM
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This was the ohter thing I considered. My only concern being ricochette. I like Magtech ammunition and so far in thousands of rounds out of several calibers I have never had a misfire, nor a flier.
http://www.magtechammunition.com/sit...search=details sorry wrong link that was to the +P version. Now it is right.
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05-11-2007, 02:09 PM
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After speakin for a bit with our detectives again today, AND finally getting ahold of the Asst Chief I have two or three real choices ahead of me again.
HPS (I know I know Mr. 16 Guage and a bunch of you already advised it.) are ALL they suggest. Homesomever they did say that should it come to trial (apparently they have been through this before with the wife of an officer who was a licensed CHL holder) Any one of them will gladly testify that the REASON they suggest HPs for me to carry was to STOP over penetration. NOT to "kill better".  Why oh why don't I listen to you guys in the frist freakin place. OK here is what all I am considering. Magtech 38 Special 158 Grain Semi-Jacketed Hollow Points Federal Premium Personal Defense Low Recoil Ammunition 38 Special 110 Grain Hydra-Shok Jacketed Hollow Points (which Skinny suggested) Hornady Custom Ammunition 38 Special 158 Grain XTP Jacketed Hollow Points Remington Golden Saber Ammunition 38 Special +P 125 Grain Brass Jacketed Hollow Points I kinda don't want to shoot the golden sabers ONLY because they are +p (I can't find a non +P flavor of them) And I am actually leaning away from the Hyrdra-shok's because of the lower grain weight of the bullet. That leaves (I still want to discuss ALL other options) The magtechs and the Hornadys. Now the magtechs are appealing because for a buck less a box I am getting 50 instead of 20. And since I am a fan of Rocky's motto "Shoot what you carry" then it would make my carry rounds a lot less pricey for keeping up practice. WHAT DO YOU THINK? Yes yes I know I asked this way back at the begining, BUT it is a subject I don't think can be talked to death. I would rather risk talking it to death than finding out I was bad wrong the hard way. GoodOlBoy
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