Pot Hunter?

[GoodOlBoy]

We have come back with mixed bags many times. That is why I didn't understand why all the sites were referring to it in deragatory terms. Many is the day my great grandfather came home with quail, dove, squirrel, and rabbit in the same bag.

GoodOlBoy

[rattus58]

Actually I wasn't starting an argument, but when one applauds (and I'm not saying that youngbuck doesn't deserve it) others who criticize other hunters or through innuendo may suggest that a certain type of hunting is less than honorable as you have just now done yourself... But you KNOW what Fair Chase is, you are adding your approval of others comments.

I could argue, my friend, that hunting with dogs is not fair chase, just fair recovery. But I don't. Some record books insist upon fair chase, though I'm not sure how the quail, pheasant, and ducks, are guaged for fair chase in their respective record books, and though some may choose to only shoot over dogs, others may choose to hunt over shoe leather only.

I don't feel that being in any way divisive is healthy for hunters. If you see folks shooting out of season, over bag limits, wrong sex, etc, they are worthy of criticism, otherwise if it is legal, I would suggest that hunters refrain from being contentious when it comes to us presumably being a brotherhood.

Aloha...

[skeet]

Originally posted by GoodOlBoy
We have come back with mixed bags many times. That is why I didn't understand why all the sites were referring to it in deragatory terms. Many is the day my great grandfather came home with quail, dove, squirrel, and rabbit in the same bag.

GoodOlBoy

Well in squirrel season I almost always came back with a mixed bag. I often came back with squirrels some Kale some wild growin spinach and peanuts from some that were planted in error. But squirrel only lasted from Oct 5 -31st..When rabbit season came in we really got a mixed bag..Quail rabbits doves ducks..a goose or two. We hunted. It was as much a way of life as anything.

[skeet]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by rattus58
[B]Actually I wasn't starting an argument, but when one applauds (and I'm not saying that youngbuck doesn't deserve it) others who criticize other hunters or through innuendo may suggest that a certain type of hunting is less than honorable as you have just now done yourself... But you KNOW what Fair Chase is, you are adding your approval of others comments.

What the H is all that above?? No one was criticised. If you feel you were ...you are just being paranoid. Oh and yes you were trying to start an argument. Seems you enjoy that. I wasn't starting an argument ...BUT.... means that exactly. You want to argue.

I could argue, my friend, that hunting with dogs is not fair chase, just fair recovery. But I don't. Some record books insist upon fair chase, though I'm not sure how the quail, pheasant, and ducks, are guaged for fair chase in their respective record books, and though some may choose to only shoot over dogs, others may choose to hunt over shoe leather only.

The way we hunt quail is very simple. We use dogs to find and stand the quail. Some use flushing dogs..but we flushed the birds. We picked a single bird out to shoot and never flock shot as you so stupidly suggested. We very seldom got to shoot more than twice at a covey rise. Very very seldom did we loose a bird . If we hunted the busted covey we shot single birds. We very seldom lost a cripple. The reason we used setters and pointers was for the experience...Good dog work is a beautiful thing to see...in case you haven't experienced it. We would never flock shoot on the ground or in the air. Record books for quail??!! Again...get a grip. What an ignorant statement.

I don't feel that being in any way divisive is healthy for hunters. If you see folks shooting out of season, over bag limits, wrong sex, etc, they are worthy of criticism, otherwise if it is legal, I would suggest that hunters refrain from being contentious when it comes to us presumably being a brotherhood.

Again ...get over your snit. Nobody accused you of anything. If you think they did you are wrong.. CAN you understand that?? I applauded Youngbucks actions as it seemed he, as a young man, really cared about his perception by others. I'm glad you hunt. I am glad you hunt legally. Keep doing it that way. And as far as the denigration of other hunters..You only have to look at the 2nd paragraph starting I could argue. You did a pretty good job. Again..get a grip.

I can't believe I actually did this....again!

[PJgunner]

GOB, the eason for the backlash about pot hunters or meat hunters is just a bunch of snobs that feel they are betetr than the rest of us with their holier than thou attitude about "pot hunters"' or "meat hunters". It seems they also get their panitied in a wad when it comes to defining "fair chase". Just what is fair chase anyway and for whom? If you're some dude in say the mid 30's to mid 40's in exceleent condition and can run up a 9,000 foot mountain without breathing hard, then the concept of "fair chase may be one thing to you. How about a paralegic who has to hunt from a wheel chair, or does he have to give up hunting to the sophistic elitists? What would be allowable fair chse for him. Does he have to drag himself through the brush with his arms to make some snob happy?
Or how about some fellow with a bad knee or maybe a bad hip that makes walking difficult? I guess Mr. Snob wants him to stay home as well.
I know some fairly well to do types that hang out at the range where I shoot. They're always spouting off the "fair chase" BS yet the last two years one I know for sure shot his deer from his truck while road hunting. But, to hear him tell the story, it was a difficult four hour stalk in rough terrain with shifting winds and the shot was at 500 yards. The truth of the matter was the der was maybe 30 yards off the road looking at him when he shot it. it wasn't even a big one.
Paul B.

[skeet]

Hunting who couldn't do for themselves. Yep we tried our best to make it easy for 'em...but no matter what we did they always seemed to have a good time. We rigged up a blind on a creek for a fellow in a wheel chair once..right in the marsh. That fellow had the best time. He shot his geese and 2 ducks. One of his friends carried him into the marsh on his back. Hell I felt so good I carried him out.(he wasn't a very big fellow anyway! BTW we didn't have any of those snobs where I came from..they were all too poor to be snobs. We hunted to eat. Took a friends son hunting doves one time. He had never been. His father really didn't hunt much. Man we had a LOT of doves in a sunflower patch..He didn't kill too many..but his shoulder was so black and blue I didn't think he would ever hunt again.. But ya shoulda seen the smile on his face. He hunts (a meat hunter too) today just as he did then. For eatin and enjoyment of nature.

[Brother Rockeye]

When it comes to NEEDIN to fillin yer belly~man's laws mean squat.
On your second day in the bush in the middle of nowhere with a whacked compass and no grub,anything you can kill and eat is in season.
lotsa folks lived hand to mouth not so long ago...it's where the "sport" originated.
If yer full,hunt a trophy.
If yer empty,hunt for meat.
If yer able,hunt.

[Ol` Joe]

I`ve always concidered shooting game on the ground "opportunity" and in the air "wing shooting". Finding game is "hunting" and it all goes in the "pot" if I do my part.

As for "ethics", I`d much rather see someone take a partridge out of a Aspen or Birch then take a crack at a Mallard 80 yd out and going full tilt.
JMO

[rattus58]

You know Skeet.... You need to get into the no child left behind program because you are having a very hard time understanding things.... No one is accusing me of anything because there is nothing to accuse me of nor, Bub, did I say, mention, or suggest anyone had. Stopped being so wrapped in YOURSELF.

On the other hand I don't name call either. On the other hand I don't call legal hunting UNETHICAL. On the other hand I don't insinuate anything either.

Now, Skeet, when someone denigrates how others might hunt, especially when it is legal, I happen to feel is divisive. That you don't, shows how we differ.

[gd357]

If I may interject....

seems to me this whole thing got started over a discussion of the term "pot hunter". Now when I heard the term, it was assumed (possibly incorrectly at the time) by my elder hunters to be someone who took unethical shots "pot-shots" at game. If the terminology actually means someone who is hunting for the pot (dinner), then I've been a bit mis-informed. And I probably fall into that category (they were called "meat hunters" where I grew up). As far as taking birds on the ground? I've done it (on at least one occaision - haven't hunted birds in a while besides turkeys and my memory suffers a bit when it comes to small game). Is it terribly sporting? probably not. But darned if it didn't taste great. JMHO

gd

[GoodOlBoy]

rattus58 first of all YOU are the one who insinuated that somebody accused you, not Skeet.

You also seem to have alot of hands.

That being said it is not illegal to shoot squirrel with a 50 BMG rifle. It WOULD be unethical. Defend that one. It is also not illegal in most states to shoot a deer at 200 yards with a 9mm pistol. It would ALSO be unethical to attempt to do so. Defend that one next. When you are done I can cite about fifty more examples.

As for name calling, calling someone BUB IS namecalling and is insulting in circles of folks who were raised right.

Skeet isn't wrapped up in himself and has never been anything but helpful to anybody I know of. He has only ever offered solid advice, so I don't think he is the one wrapped up in himself.

Now if we can ALL get back to the subject at hand.

gd357 I can understand that misunderstanding. Many times terminology is warped by those who hear it without understanding exactly what is going on. Particularly once it gets mixed in with a bunch of hard heads, or hot heads. Sporting takes a back seat when it comes to putting meat on the table. If you are a multimillionare, or even just plain wealthy I can see why you would want to keep it sporting. If you are hungry I can see why you would be less interested. I have shot quail on the ground, heck as a kid squirrel hunting in East Texas I have shot deer, rabbit, quail, dove, coon, and possum. I still don't feel bad about it.

GoodOlBoy

[rattus58]

Well unfortunately my first response to you didn't take... so I'm going to respond later.

Short version... You nor anyone has the right to criticize ones choice of firearm. And Yes, I'd like the 50 other examples, because these two are riduculous... 50 BMG, as over the top of an example as you could find for being the squirrel police but that's ok... none of your business. 200 yards with a pistol? That pistol in Hawaii would be illegal... so end of story. But if it had a 1 1/4" case and was .357 or more, its none of your business what one shoots or at what range. How ethical is it to shoot a deer with a .22? Some people make a living with a 22 and killing deer... unethical?

Oh... and tell me, how is it ok, in YOUR WORLD for one to shoot at birds on the ground when you're new but not ok when your more experienced? Are you all now psychics, by the way... how do you know when some has confidence or not?

Give me a break... We need unifiers in the hunting community and bringing phony criticisms... as your's certainly are, isn't bringing hunters together for the battleground ahead.

[GoodOlBoy]

First of all it is ok IN MY WORLD for anybody to shoot a bird on the ground. Second you don't know anything about my world.

Third it is illegal to shoot a deer with a 22 in Texas so your argument is null and void. Pretty much like everything else you have said.

GoodOlBoy

[YoungBuck14]

Is it legal to kill a deer with a 22LR or Mag? no not in texas or any other rimfire. What about a hornet or other 22 calliber centerfire? Yes it is in fact my grandmother killed a deer with a .218 Bee. But would i ever do it, prolly not unless i practiced quite a bit more to where i trusted myself with consistant head shots. Could a first time hunter who has fired a gun twice in their young life hunt with a 22 Hornet, .218 Bee, 22-250, 17 Rem, 220 swift and still be legal? Here in Texas that answer would be yes but would that be ETHICAL to torso shoot a deer with one of these calibers.

As a hunter matures they themself are allowed to make decisions on what they personally consider fun or sporting depending on their confidence level. When i first started i "skillet" shot birds (this is the term i grew up hearing not POT) but as i grew and matured it really didn't seem fun to shoot a standing still bird. Personal opinion if you enjoy it blast away. But if you consider shoot a standing still object loads of fun shoot a fence post or shoot the dang tree that the bird landed in its just about as hard. I don't know when someone has confidence, that person however will know and will be able to make the decision their self.

its none of your business what one shoots or at what range.

Why is it none of my business if my neighbor slings lead at any deer that moves and wounds a bunch of them just trying to make these hero shots. Those deer will go off and die days later just to be varmit food. I mean WTH its legal to take long unethical shot but IBD if i take any kind of stand for it. It is my business cause that deer could be one that me, my dad, or any other ethical hunter could shoot LEGALLY and ethically to put in the freezer.


PS. When it comes to this brotherhood thing I don't believe my first statement said anything degrading about anyone elses hunting styles. Getting all upset about someone elses opinion about what they personally consider ethical or sporting and firing back degrading remarks towards them seems to kinda throw a wedge in that whole brotherhood statement.

[YoungBuck14]

This is another thought that just came to me. Just because something is legal doesn't make it eithical and that was stated in my last post. But just because something is "illegal" doesn't make it unethical in all circumstances. If your walking back from your deer stand or hunting area and there is a wounded deer (either in deer season or not) and it obviously isn't gonna make it is it unethical to kill this deer and keep the meat because in texas it is illegal? I personally believe that meat going to good use is much better than going to waste. Just another opinion.