Where oh where is America going?

[scalerman]

I still have to stick to my original comment about this all being a smoke and mirrors thing. There really is no definitive evidence to say that "global warming" is nothing but a natural cycle in the life of this planet. I also believe that if you look more closely at those who would benefit the most for the trade of credits- those such as Mr. Gore and his ilk are those who stand to gain the most- just some food for thought.

[fabsroman]

Originally Posted by scalerman

I still have to stick to my original comment about this all being a smoke and mirrors thing. There really is no definitive evidence to say that "global warming" is nothing but a natural cycle in the life of this planet. I also believe that if you look more closely at those who would benefit the most for the trade of credits- those such as Mr. Gore and his ilk are those who stand to gain the most- just some food for thought.

I will agree that there is no definitive answer regarding the cooling and warming cycle of the Earth. Plus, this summer has been rather cool here, knock on wood.

As far as how Gore stands to gain from this, does anybody actually have any evidence pertaining to this, or is this all just hearsay from a TV/radio talk show? Somebody give me a link to some concrete evidence that shows how Gore stands to gain from this. It would be nice to see what companies he has an ownership interest in that will cause him to gain monetarily from this global warming issue. Honestly, I would love to see this evidence because then I could credibly shut up my liberal friends.

[scalerman]

Fabrosman may I ask you a question? Before North America was "settled" when there was a lightning strike on the prairies- how long did that fire burn before going out? How much carbon was released by the stuff burned in the fire? A forest fire that started in the eastern forests- how long did it burn? When I hear others talk about the carbon released by "human activity" on the earth and how much more carbon is in the atmosphere now than in the past I have to laugh. How the hell do they know that? I you believe that the world is billions of years old and you are trying to predict long term changes in climate based on (let's be generous) 200 years of recorded data- that has to be the most assinine thing I have ever heard. No there is only one motive for "cap and trade"- to tax people and business to death. Here in Canada one of our most outspoken environmentalists believes that the earth cannot sustain all of the people and advocates exploration for other inhabitable planets. I suggest we send him and a bunch of his cronies out to find one.

[fabsroman]

Originally Posted by scalerman

Fabrosman may I ask you a question? Before North America was "settled" when there was a lightning strike on the prairies- how long did that fire burn before going out? How much carbon was released by the stuff burned in the fire? A forest fire that started in the eastern forests- how long did it burn? When I hear others talk about the carbon released by "human activity" on the earth and how much more carbon is in the atmosphere now than in the past I have to laugh. How the hell do they know that? I you believe that the world is billions of years old and you are trying to predict long term changes in climate based on (let's be generous) 200 years of recorded data- that has to be the most assinine thing I have ever heard. No there is only one motive for "cap and trade"- to tax people and business to death. Here in Canada one of our most outspoken environmentalists believes that the earth cannot sustain all of the people and advocates exploration for other inhabitable planets. I suggest we send him and a bunch of his cronies out to find one.

Go back and read what I wrote, especially the first sentence where I say there is no definitive answer one way or the other whether the world is in a cooling or heating trend. Then, try not to ask me questions that make it look as though I support the global warming issue. What I support is an anti-pollution issue.

Let me ask you this question Scalerman, where do you live? Is it in a city with smog, or in the nice pristine country side where you cannot see a smoke stack for miles? I'm somewhat lucky and live between the two extremes, but I go into DC enough to know what it smells like and feels like with all the crap in the air. How about LA or New York City, have you been to either? I have.

So, even though I am not worried about global warming, I am still worried about pollution. Read about some of the stuff that is going on in China. The impact they are having on the environment is insane, and not in a good way.

[Larryjk]

It seems that if there is a problem in the eastern part of the country, there will be a cry to pass legislation to regulate the problem out of existence, especially in the west. We are usually used as the "whipping boy" to solve a problem that doesn't exist in the west.
Litter control is a learned behavior. I made sure my kids did not litter, and I am happy to see that they are teaching their children the same habits. Same as wearing a seat belt. They grew up doing things a certain way and they don't consider doing differently. It takes time to change attitudes.

[Larryjk]

Don Walkup, I agree, but people keep re-electing them.