Bush/Obama I am getting pissed.

[Larryjk]

I was reading the thread through to follow the thoughts and saw what I wrote. Really, I must have been having a "senior moment". I looked at how I spelled Syria and thought to myself, "What the heck was I doing"? The only excuse I have is the "senior moment".

[Seawolf1090]

So the Chinese own GM Hummer - not an issue, as the Hummer is simply a rebodied Tahoe/Yukon, NOT the same as the military HMMV still being built HERE by a different company.
I have switched party affiliation from GOP to Independent. After this failed 2008 'election' (I call it the "Immaculate Deception") I cannot trust the Republicans any more - they never questioned obungle's bonafidees, and simply let McCain run on empty and fail. The GOP has been utterly marginalized and emasculated by The Zombie Queen pelosi, in her mind-numbingly blind hatred of anything 'Bush'. obungle is getting his legislation passed without any blocking by The Groady Old Party - they simply do not matter any more. obungle has his Super Majority of Koolade Drinkers and Chicago Mafia homeboys. Maybe, IF the GOP can grow a pair and actually take some more seats in November, AND remember their conservative voting base/constituents - then MAYBE we can mute some of the current misadministration's worst efforts to Communize this nation.
It's either that, or we go to Concorde 2.0 and Yorktown 2.0 - not to be desired but maybe eventually necessary......

As far as I am concerned, the magic kenyan's total FUBAR in dealing with the Gulf Disaster has buried any further political asperations of his - though unfortunately the damage has been done - it's gonna take years to undo some of what the traitor has accomplished - much can never be fixed. BP should seriously consider shoving him headfirst down that pipe in his skivvies toting a bucket of cement -"Plug that hole!"

[fabsroman]

Originally Posted by GoodOlBoy

Keep in mind that 8 years of nothingness was better than 1 year of going downhill at somewhere past the speed of sound. . . . . thats my 2 cents.

GoodOlBoy

Bush was handed a tough situation. The stock market had just tanked in 2000I believe, and then 9/11 happened less than 9 months into his Presidency. He was dealing with a recession of his own back in 2003/2004 and actually gave out a tax rebate refund at that time to try and stir the economy back up. Unemployment held around the 5% range during his Presidency and it never got better. It was sufficient for him to get re-elected.

However, let's not forget that Obama inherited an economy that was in the meltdown phase. Just like Bush pretty much inherited 9/11. Bush and Greenspan allowed housing to get way out of control, but that might have also been what got him re-elected. In 2004, when we bought this townhouse at $333K, the housing market was on fire. The following year, this place was worth $395K and we were able to refinance it and get rid of our second mortgage. Now, this place is worth $305K. People that were using their homes as ATM's during Bush's Presidency can no longer do so. Hence, the huge drop in consumer spending.

Also, keep in mind that Bush and Paulson was pushing for the first bailout package.

Essentially, all of our politicians suck and are a bunch of do nothing fat cats that are looking out for corporate America.

On the flip side, Americans are a bunch of greedy people that want everything now and don't want to work hard for it and save for a rainy day. Not saying that applies directly to people on this board, but to the majority of Americans out there.

[fabsroman]

Originally Posted by jon lynn

Skeet,

I truly did not think that John McCain would have done better, at the time. I truly thought Obama's economic education would be a plus. I really did not realize he had the Clinton view of "Let's go European."

But if you would have asked me if Obama would have bailed out millionaires from the banks, before the fact, I would have said no. I would not have expected any person to do so.

I do agree with the American car bailout though. The thought of Ford and Chevrolet going under really put a bad taste in my mouth. But only one hit, and so many misses, he's out of my line up.

But I did drop the ball on the border issue. I say we pull a Pink Floyd and build a wall. I really did not think he would weenie out on the now non existent border.

And no matter who was in, is in, or will be in the Oval Office, needs to tell El Presedente of Meh-he-co where to put that jalapeno!

I wish the Congress and Senate had term limits too. A Representative who has been in the Congress or Senate forever is worthless. I have NEVER ever heard about anything Ted Kennedy had ever done, except live off the image of two dead brothers.

Obama's reasoning for not doing anything about the border is to try and pressure the Republicans into agreeing to some type of common sense immigration reform. Yeah, I agree that we have legislation in place that says who is and is not illegal. The problem is that it just might not make sense anymore. I would love to see them try something, anything. A compromise to make those good people currently here illegally, legal, and the building of a wall, mote, fence, etc. at the same time. Just get it done for Christ;s sake and move onto other issues like making Medicare and Social Security solvent. I think illegal immigration has been an issue for 10+ years.

How about foreign oil. That has been an issue since Richard Nixon (i.e., before I was born). How freaking hard is it to get us off of foreign oil?

[Ol` Joe]

Bush offered a one time amnesty back in 2006 that was supposed to be followed with better border control. We all see how well that worked.
I would not give a single illegal citizenship, ever, if I had my say. They come into the country illegally they are forever illegals, and not eligible for citizenship. Their kids too.

[skeet]

What OJ said.....and why don'cha tell us how ya really feel OJ. Sorry Fabs but illegal is just that.. illegal..and the people that employ 'em too. They break the law. Greed Then again Fabs..I ain't sorry cause truth is truth whether you turn a blind eye to it or not.

[fabsroman]

Originally Posted by Ol` Joe

Bush offered a one time amnesty back in 2006 that was supposed to be followed with better border control. We all see how well that worked.
I would not give a single illegal citizenship, ever, if I had my say. They come into the country illegally they are forever illegals, and not eligible for citizenship. Their kids too.

I didn't know about the Bush amnesty program. I know it was a proposal, but was it actually passed? I think it was still be debating in 2007 among the US Senate. Did it actually pass. If I had to guess, I would say NOPE. I cannot believe that I would have actually missed the passing of this legislation.

Do you have a link to show me that there was actually an amnesty program in place in 2006? If there were, I am pretty sure I would have heard about it and that I would have had a client or two that would have taken advantage of it.

[fabsroman]

Originally Posted by skeet

What OJ said.....and why don'cha tell us how ya really feel OJ. Sorry Fabs but illegal is just that.. illegal..and the people that employ 'em too. They break the law. Greed Then again Fabs..I ain't sorry cause truth is truth whether you turn a blind eye to it or not.

Look, you and I will just have to agree to disagree. Yeah, they came here illegally because we have laws on our books that make it illegal. However, we can also change those laws or pass additional laws that now make them legal. That is what I would propose.

Kind of like the person that breaks the law only to receive Probation Before Judgment in Maryland even though they plead guilty to the crime. Yep, they broke the law, but they are given a second chance.

I am proposing the same thing for the illegals that are currently here and that have proven they would be good US citizens in the long run.

Again, we will just have to agree to disagree.

[multibeard]

[QUOTE=fabsroman;336872]
I am proposing the same thing for the illegals that are currently here and that have proven they would be good US citizens in the long run.
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How do you tell the difference between the good illegals and the bad ones they are all illegal. Around my area you can not tell the legals from the illegals let alone the good from the bad.

A couple of months ago the border patrol picked up 60+ illegals from one of the biggest fruit and vegtable processing plants in the country. I am sure once cherry processing get in full swing this week they can pick up that many if not more from the same plant. Some will probably be the same ones they deported last time.

Send them back and make them come here legally just like your kin and mine.

[fabsroman]

[QUOTE=multibeard;336874]

Originally Posted by fabsroman

I am proposing the same thing for the illegals that are currently here and that have proven they would be good US citizens in the long run.
QUOTE]

How do you tell the difference between the good illegals and the bad ones they are all illegal. Around my area you can not tell the legals from the illegals let alone the good from the bad.

A couple of months ago the border patrol picked up 60+ illegals from one of the biggest fruit and vegtable processing plants in the country. I am sure once cherry processing get in full swing this week they can pick up that many if not more from the same plant. Some will probably be the same ones they deported last time.

Send them back and make them come here legally just like your kin and mine.

The way you can tell is to do a criminal background check on them. If they haven't been in trouble, they have been here 5 years, and they can pay something in back taxes, I would suggest letting them apply for a greencard and start paying taxes a plenty like the rest of us do.

At the same time we do the above, we lock down the borders, period. I agree with keeping them out. The problem is with the ones that are already here. Until we really start fining the snot out of companies that hire them, they will remain here for quite a long time and they will be a drag on a lot of governmental units, one of which I believe is hospital emergency rooms.

[Ol` Joe]

Originally Posted by fabsroman

I didn't know about the Bush amnesty program. I know it was a proposal, but was it actually passed? I think it was still be debating in 2007 among the US Senate. Did it actually pass. If I had to guess, I would say NOPE. I cannot believe that I would have actually missed the passing of this legislation.

Do you have a link to show me that there was actually an amnesty program in place in 2006? If there were, I am pretty sure I would have heard about it and that I would have had a client or two that would have taken advantage of it.

Ya know I just double check, and it was never voted on. I was sure I`d heard somewhere it was.
I`m sorry for any false info I passed by carelessness on my part. thanks for the catch.

[fabsroman]

Originally Posted by Ol` Joe

Ya know I just double check, and it was never voted on. I was sure I`d heard somewhere it was.
I`m sorry for any false info I passed by carelessness on my part. thanks for the catch.

No problem. I don't always get everything right either. I just think ALL of us need to be as informed about stuff as possible before we start making opinions on things.

For instance, I had a couple in here one day that thought any poor person qualified for Medicaid. I had to tell them that the person had to either be 18 or younger and born to poor parent(s) or 65 or over and have less than $2,500. Of course, there are about 10 exceptions for people between the age of 18 and a day to 65 less a day, but those 10 exceptions are pretty stringent (e.g., people with Lou Gehrig's disease). People with Parkinsons don't even qualify for Medicaid.

Anyway, about the only way this nation is going to continue on with its greatness is if people stop spending tons of time in front of the TV, video games, etc., and actually get interested in knowledge. Then, we might actually be able to do something at the voting booth.

Glad to hear you went back and checked it out.

[Mr. 16 gauge]

Anyway, about the only way this nation is going to continue on with its greatness is if people stop spending tons of time in front of the TV, video games, etc., and actually get interested in knowledge. Then, we might actually be able to do something at the voting booth.

I have to agree with Fabs that we, as a nation, are short sighted.....we ***** and complain about our dependency on foreign oil, giving our money to the A-rabs, blah, blah, blah......but we never try and develop alternative energy sources. Look at the dept of Energy....developed back in the late 70's/early 80's to solve the problem of dependency on foreign oil, it has accomplished NOTHING in the 30+ years it has been in exsistance......nothing at all! Talk about a waste. Don't know what their budget is, but I can tell you that if I had the power, that is one dept that would be disbanded immediately!
The there is the BP oil spill.....didn't we learn our lesson with the Exxon Valdez? Apparently NOT!
As long as we as a nation are 'entertained' with the crap that comes out of Hollyweird, then everything is "O.K."

....and lets add the 4-5 generations that have been on welfare and never worked a day in their lives. Does history repeat itself? I'm reminded of something about "Bread & Circuses".....and the fall of another great republic.

[PJgunner]

We're getting a bit OT here and I'll jump in on this myself in a bit.
Jon, I don't think you and I have ever had any kind of disagreement but even if we did I would try to almost be civil.
s the feds have an immigration law in place, although they do not bother to enforce it, considering on how much our buffoon in the Oval Orifice has spend keeping his records hidden, there is that old saying,about something rotten in Denmark although here is one about a woodpile that is a lot more appropriate.
However, as this had deteriorated into illegal immigration, my thought are this.
Sorry fabs but here we're gonna disagree. There is no way I will accept a reform program that gives them amnesty nor a path to citizenship. It makes no difference to me that the feds only consider it a misdemeanor. Compare Mexico's immigration laws to ours. We slap them on the wrist if they sneak across the line but Mexico? Read the following

New Immigration Laws: Read to the bottom or you will miss the message...
1 There will be no special bilingual programs in the schools.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
2. All ballots will be in this nation's language.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
3. All government business will be conducted in our language.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
4. Non-residents will NOT have the right to vote no matter how long they are here.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
5. Non-citizens will NEVER be able to hold political office
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
6 Foreigners will not be a burden to the taxpayers. No welfare, no food stamps, no health care, or other government assistance programs. Any burden will be deported.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
7. Foreigners can invest in this country, but it must be an amount at least equal to 40,000 times the daily minimum wage.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
8. If foreigners come here and buy land... options will be restricted. Certain parcels including waterfront property are reserved for citizens naturally born into this country.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
9.. Foreigners may have no protests; no demonstrations, no waving of a foreign flag, no political organizing, no bad-mouthing our president or his policies. These will lead to deportation.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
10. If you do come to this country illegally, you will be actively hunted &, when caught, sent to jail until your deportation can be arranged. All assets will be taken from you.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Too strict?......
The above laws are the current immigration laws of MEXICO !!!
These sound fine to me, NOW, how can we get these laws to be America's immigration laws??

WAKE UP, AMERICA - we are about to lose our country.........

We should enact those very same laws immediately if not sooner.
Paul B.

[fabsroman]

Originally Posted by PJgunner

We're getting a bit OT here and I'll jump in on this myself in a bit.
Jon, I don't think you and I have ever had any kind of disagreement but even if we did I would try to almost be civil.
s the feds have an immigration law in place, although they do not bother to enforce it, considering on how much our buffoon in the Oval Orifice has spend keeping his records hidden, there is that old saying,about something rotten in Denmark although here is one about a woodpile that is a lot more appropriate.
However, as this had deteriorated into illegal immigration, my thought are this.
Sorry fabs but here we're gonna disagree. There is no way I will accept a reform program that gives them amnesty nor a path to citizenship. It makes no difference to me that the feds only consider it a misdemeanor. Compare Mexico's immigration laws to ours. We slap them on the wrist if they sneak across the line but Mexico? Read the following

New Immigration Laws: Read to the bottom or you will miss the message...
1 There will be no special bilingual programs in the schools.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
2. All ballots will be in this nation's language.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
3. All government business will be conducted in our language.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
4. Non-residents will NOT have the right to vote no matter how long they are here.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
5. Non-citizens will NEVER be able to hold political office
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
6 Foreigners will not be a burden to the taxpayers. No welfare, no food stamps, no health care, or other government assistance programs. Any burden will be deported.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
7. Foreigners can invest in this country, but it must be an amount at least equal to 40,000 times the daily minimum wage.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
8. If foreigners come here and buy land... options will be restricted. Certain parcels including waterfront property are reserved for citizens naturally born into this country.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
9.. Foreigners may have no protests; no demonstrations, no waving of a foreign flag, no political organizing, no bad-mouthing our president or his policies. These will lead to deportation.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
10. If you do come to this country illegally, you will be actively hunted &, when caught, sent to jail until your deportation can be arranged. All assets will be taken from you.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Too strict?......
The above laws are the current immigration laws of MEXICO !!!
These sound fine to me, NOW, how can we get these laws to be America's immigration laws??

WAKE UP, AMERICA - we are about to lose our country.........

We should enact those very same laws immediately if not sooner.
Paul B.

Honestly, that list sounds like something that would come in an e-mail forward. I checked for it on Snopes, but there was nothing there. Do you have a source for it? If so, would you mind sharing.

This is what I found about immigrating to Mexico:

http://www.mexperience.com/liveandwork/immigration.htm

If you read through that, it seems like people can actually become citizens of Mexico, but it is a long process.

The thing that kind of gives that list away is "Non-residents will NOT have the right to vote no matter how long they are here.". If somebody is already living in Mexico, how can they be a non-resident?

Maybe that list is legit, but it just doesn't sound like it from what I have read and the way it reads.