Rifle shooting out to 400 yards +/-

[Adam Helmer]

Ridge Runner,

What do you use for a powder charge to get 3575 FPS in a 7MM and 160 grain bullet and what do you use for a scope? I worked a few Summers with a surveyor and know how far 1,000 and 1,350 yards really are. I also went to Camp Perry twice on my state high power rifle team and learned how to gauge the wind and light to 600 yards for my Match M14.

It seems to me that our PA deer are on the verge of moving off when they bring their heads up. At least that is what I observed in the last 23 years here on the farm. When you do another 1350 yard shot, will you have witnesses? Personally, I have a hard time calling long range shooting at live animals "Hunting", especially when my neighbor (a mathematician) has told me that a 1350 -yard shot on a deer was impossible."

Let's hear from you and give me the powder type and charges that defy GRAVITY and LOGIC. Your 1350-yard shot equals the Moon Landing metrics. IF a "Puff" of wind came betwixt you and the deer, there would have been NO HIT! I suspect your long range hits are computer keyboard BS. DID that 1350 Yard "Hit" occur when there were THREE FEET per YARD??? If you choose to shoot 1350 YARDS, the target is ready for a redo, 10-4? Just send me a PM and we will set up the shot, Right?

I defer to your answers to powder charges and wind conditions on the day you "Scored" at 1350 yards. I can set up 1350 yard conditions (LASERED) with the cooperation of my neighbor (Who owns 160 acres) and I can place my deer decoy in his FAR hayfield in case you wish to duplicate your 1350 yard shot. When are you up for doing the do? Please email me because lots of guys hereabouts want to watch. 10-4?

Adam

[Adam Helmer]

Ridge Runner,

I just heard from my other neighbor about your 1350+/- deer impact. He is skeptical, so please give us powder charge, primer, scope model and type and your "Hold Over" and the velocity/direction of the prevailing wind.

It is NOT we do not believe you, it just seems you are unbelieveable. We await your EVIDENCE? I have inquired with Guiness to see if your 1350 YARD deer impact should be in the record books. Ok? The WORLD awaits your input. ARE You STILL entering the Record Books with your LONG RANGE stuff? Do you have verifible WITNESSES, or just your BS?

Adam

[skeet]

Daaauuum Adam.. Tell us what you really think! I've seen a few really long shots..Really Long. But to be honest it would be tough out here on the prairie country to shoot that far. In the Mountains very possible as the wind is a bit less up there..most of the time

[Ridge Runner]

adam,
there were 6 witnesses to the shot, want phone numbers?
I'm shooting a 7mm Allen Mag, (sort of a 7mm/338 Lapua AI) charge is 110 gr of WC 872 behnd a 160 gr nosler accubond which will run through the chrony at 3575fps.
Reguardless to what your friends and neighbors say, its quite possible and happens often, stroll on over to www.longrangehunting.com or you can read a bit in the beyond 500 yards forum here. http://www.huntchat.com/showthread.php?t=47765
If you think its BS, its because you lack the comprehension of how it could be done, let alone the skill and ability to do it.
RR

[Gil Martin]

More shooters should practice at longer ranges to test their capabilities and that of their rifles. All the best...
Gil

[Ridge Runner]

where ya at adam? ya found out its not BS and your neighbor mathematician and the other neighbor haven't a clue, so what happened to your official opinion that I was BS'in?
RR

[bigbrother]

This argument is humorous to me.

RR...keep on keeping on and there's no need to defend yourself.

Adam, if you have a safe place to shoot that far, maybe we should put together a HuntChat long range clinic. Instead of being a "you have to prove to me"...maybe we should make it a "let me show you how". I would be willing to bet that YOU could hit it that far away with the right equiptment. If you're willing to host maybe we can get multiple members to come out and shoot and learn.


Others....any thoughts? Anyone else willing to participate.

[Adam Helmer]

bigbrother,

I think you put the final summary to this thread. I do have strong opinions on this long range "hunting" subject. In the last 23 years here on the farm, I have had non-residents set up on a ridge 800 yards North of my biggest (and POSTED) hayfield and then shoot at any deer they see in my field and elsewhere. A few years ago those Long RANGERS succeeded in nearly blasting off the left hind leg of a doe in the center of my posted hayfield. I dropped her, tagged her and then went and chatted with the long range boys with the assist of the Game Warden.

This is the basis of my experience with long range hunters. I do not call it hunting when live animals are merely targets. Long range shooting takes skill and so does hunting. I have nothing more to say on this matter except, if I offended anyone, I apologize.

Adam

[Ridge Runner]

If I can get there and back on 300 bucks worth of gas I'm in
RR

[Adam Helmer]

Ridge Runner,

You could NEVER have the same light, wind and mirage conditions at 1,350 yards, so save your gas money. IF you are such a Great shot at long range, why are you NOT the U.S. High Power Rifle champion? They hold the matches every year at Camp Perry, Ohio. Go for it!

For far too many years I have seen Long Rangers CRIPPLE deer here on my farm. I suspect you forgot Gravity ALWAYS works and the wind is unpredictable. Since you are GREAT, Please go be our NEXT U.S. High Power Rifle Champion. It is easily within your grasp, Eh, WOT? LOL! Just BECAUSE you say you made a 1,350 yard "Bad" shot does not make it so, nor is it repeatable under current enviornmental conditions. LOL! You will fare better at Camp Perry, Ohio against other Rifle Shooters. How many Long Range Rifle matches have you shot where the targets are STATIONERY??? Are you your State Champion??? If not, why not?

Adam

[Ridge Runner]

adam, read the thread in the beyond 500 yard forum, (7mm AM at .77 miles) I set the scope for windage, parralax, and elevation for each shot, if its questionable I take a spotter shot to be sure I figured right. I use a windmeter, barrometer, and a PDA running a ballistic program for every shot. my program is tweaked from actual shooting to match my POA under different conditions, its not hard to change the POI to hit POA if you measure the conditions that effect bullet flight and adjust to them.
with the technology available today, its not difficult, just takes effort and dedication to get good at it.
RR

[Adam Helmer]

Ridge Runner,

Are you for real? DO you PLACE the TARGET deer in PARK so they do not move one-inch in your .77 miles calculation? Your BS calculations in NO way INFLUENCES Deer Movement, RIGHT?

I will not say anymore on this subject UNTIL I see you are the NEXT U. S. High Power Rifle Champion and then I will know you GOT IT RIGHT against other Knowledgeable shooters and NOT dumb animals you use for long range target practice. I assume you are NOT your state's High Power Rifle Champion. Since deer MOVE when they will despite you technology, how can you connect on deer at LONG RANGE? I have seen the Long Range results on FREE ROAMING deer here on my farm and involve the Game Wardens when jackasses shoot AT and RARELY kill deer on my POSTED land. Lots of deer are seriously maimed by Long Rangers. I know what I have seen and will not reply again to you. 10-4? Be well.

Adam

[Ridge Runner]

why is it so hard for you to believe that you can determine when a deer isn't gonna move for a second and a half by watching it, ever hear of "body language"?
when an experienced long range hunter has a deer in the scope, there are alot of things going on watching the deers travel path, checking wind in the path of the bullet, looking at the deer looking for that shot window, more times than not the deer walks off before you get that opprotunity, but when it works out, its a rush like you have never had, and by your refusal to reason or remotely accept the possibility that with the right knoledge and equipment its not extremely diffacult, I don't think you ever will.
wanna see how its possible? go onto you tube and search shawn carlock, he explains it well and does it even better, or you can just beligerently set behind your keyboard and attempt to ridecule those who are not too smart to learn, its your choice.
thats it, I'm tired of wasteing time explaining hows and whys to someone who hasn't a clue how its done but just knows its wrong.
RR

[Ridge Runner]

Adam any question you could possibly ask is answered here, and you'll also find a few attitudes like yours there
http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/whit...oal-today.html
RR