The .270win:The perfect deer cartridge? - Page 3

model 70 · #31 12-10-2004, 04:10 PM

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree because saying the .300win mag is the best for deer is like saying a 25/06 is ideal for yotes(yes, i know you didn't say the .300 is the for deer). It works and it's quite effective on yotes but there are guns tailored for that purpose.

Mike Moss · #32 12-10-2004, 04:19 PM

The 270 Winchester is an excellent cartridge. Time has proven that. However it's no magnum but it's close to one.

For woods hunting it's just fine and thats not a demanding application for deer. Many cartridges will do there.

At long range there are some more poweful cartridges that would be a little better.

By the way the data posted by fabsroman is twisted to show the weaker cartridge to be somehow "better" at long range. Of course this fools only some.

I did have an opportunity for long range deer hunting this season. To me long range is about 400 yds. I really don't care all that much if I shoot another deer or not but don't want to wound one. I carried a 270 WSM and a 264 WM. Each has a small edge over the 270 Win. I have a couple of 270 Wins and one of them was a back up down the line. I would have gone to one of my 300 magnums or 30-06's first.

Andy L · #33 12-10-2004, 05:08 PM

I agree. The 270 is time tested. Excellent. But, not perfect or the best. But, is in the catagory with alot of other perfect and best. There is a list.

Actually, if you took away my big boomer and wouldnt let me shoot my 25-06 and made me pick a 140gr gun for whitetails only, Id rather have the 280 than the 270. Little higher BC, little more velocity, little more energy and little flatter shooting.....

Andy

Edit: I could be a little tired of hearin of the 270 too, I guess. I hunt with some guys that swear by them. They know nothing of guns or reloading or anything, and it makes a great gun for them. Like, they are apt to have it sighted for 140gr factory ammo (their sighting in consists of leaning over the hood of a truck and shooting at a feedsack on a tree, with the guns rested on a coat) and buy a box of 130s if WalMart is out and not even check the gun. All they know is it likes Winchester ammo. One guy said he had another guy make him some reloads for his 270 this year. I asked what he was using and he said "some of those good ones".

The guy that loaded them never saw the gun, let alone measured anything or worked up a load, but since they were handloads and "the good ones", they were the ticket.

He was shocked when he lost a buck he shot. I wasnt. He gut shot him and we never did find him.

We can agree to disagree. Ill stick with my 300 Win and 25-06Imp. (And Ill load my own, thank you, and be sure to use the good ones.)

Andy

Builder45 · #34 12-10-2004, 05:52 PM

The perfect deer cartridge:

The 22wmr

Shoot them in the head. No meat damage, no trophy damage and they do not run very far.

Even if it is illegal in most places how many people do we know who have done it and how many times has it worked.

Just my humble opinion based on what everybody else has told me.

model 70 · #35 12-10-2004, 07:20 PM

I still say the .270 is at home in ANy deer bunting situation.

Btw-the 30/06 or .280 hold NO advantage over the .270 in any deer hunting situation.

fabsroman · #36 12-10-2004, 08:51 PM

And the .270 doesn't hold anything over the .280 and .30-06 in any deer hunting situation.

Mike Moss,

I didn't twist anything. That is the data that Barnes' reloading manual shows for the bullets, cartridges, and velocities I used. If you were to look at my first post, you would see that I wasn't endorsing the .270 as the perfect deer gun. In fact, if you read all of my posts on this thread, you would know that I was making an argument for my .300 Win Mag, not my .270. Find the lb/ft for the bullets I listed and let me know what you find. Sure, I could find data for a .270 bullet that is much less aerodynamic and post those numbers, but that wouldn't be the truth. I guess I could have looked at a lot more data, plugged it all into a spreadsheet, and then come up with some type of answer. However, I use a 130 gr. bullet in the .270 for deer and a 150 gr. bullet in the .300 Win Mag for deer, so I used the data for those bullets.

model 70 · #37 12-10-2004, 08:57 PM

.270 ammo is easier and probably cheaper to find on a deer hunt in the boonies than .280 stuff.

I'm sure the .270 has better trajectories at longer ranges and SLIGHTLY less recoil than the '06.

Andy L · #38 12-10-2004, 10:53 PM

Wouldnt know, dont buy ammo in the boonies. I take it with me.

270 wont do anything the rest of the cartridges wont do to a deer. They are just as dead. And it doesnt have better trajectory than a 280 or 300 Win Mag or my 25-06IMP with the loads I use. Not as good of trajectory. Its a good/average deer rifle. Just like the rest mentioned. No worse, no better.

It may have a slight advantage over a 30-06 in trajectory, but that would be it. In capable hands, you cant do anything with your 270 a man cant do with an 06 or any of the other rounds. And, if your buyin ammo in the boonies, I would be willing to bet 06 ammo is more plentiful than the 270.

Recoil? I have only shot two 270s. One was a Rem 700 and the other a Winchester 70. I have shot one 280, Rem 700 Mtn Rifle. I have shot many 30-06. The 270s I shot kicked every bit as much as any of the 06s and worse than the 280. True story. I would say they average out about the same.

Its good, but not the berries..... Every gun has its shortfall....

I would still take the 280 any day of the week for a 140gr gun.

Andy

model 70 · #39 12-10-2004, 11:29 PM

Some folks forget ammo or what not.

Like I said, better long range ballistics than the '06.

Classicvette63 · #40 12-11-2004, 03:25 AM

I nailed a big buck right behind the lungs this year. Ok, it was gut shot. I used a '06 with 180gr Rn Core-Lokt. It ran about 150 yds. If shot with anyting less, like a .270, 6mm, .30-30 etc it would have ran a lot furhter. There is no doubt about that. When I hunt with the 6mm I know i can bring down a deer, although the placement has to be almost perfect. With a .270 the placement is not 100% critical, and even less so with '06. Even though we all strive for an instantaneously kill. It doesn't always happen.

model 70 · #41 12-11-2004, 04:52 AM

How do you figure that? No offense but that just seems rediculous.

Andy L · #42 12-11-2004, 08:27 AM

I just did some comparing, and I dont know model 70.....

You gotta weigh the odds pretty heavy for the 270 to make it out perform the 30-06. With the same weight bullet, 150, its no comparison. The 06 beats it. You have to go all the way down to the 130gr for the 270 to take over with the 06 still shootin a 150gr.

Take the 280, and the same bullet weights and it blows the 270 out of the water in all catagories....

Look, just admit it. They are all fine cartridges. But, the 270 is no better or worse for whitetails than a host of others. Its a good deer rifle. Not the perfect deer rifle. None are.......

Andy

fabsroman · #43 12-11-2004, 10:21 AM

I think that is the point that I was trying to make. No rifle is a perfect deer rifle for all the possible situations that are out there.

model 70 · #44 12-11-2004, 10:28 AM

I just can't do it. I dunno, I may be hard headed but I ust can't do it.

I think aswell as Jack O' conner that the 130gr. bullet in a .270 is the best for deer hunting. The only advantage the .270 has over the .280 is the availability of factory ammo. You may roll your own but ALOT of deer hunters out there still shoot the ol' tried and true core-lokts.

So when shooting the 180gr. in the '06, the 165 in the .280 abd the 130 in the .270, I'd say the .270 takes 'em.

fabsroman · #45 12-11-2004, 11:59 AM

That post I will agree with.