Infamous Idaho Killer Dallas to Be Freed - Page 3

PJgunner · #31 02-12-2005, 02:52 PM

On Accurate reloading.com, there is a thread on this same subject. One of the posts relates an actual encounter with Mr. Pogue. It's in the big game hunting room.
Paul B.

PJgunner · #32 02-12-2005, 02:59 PM

This it the post from accurate reloading.

Posted 11 February 2005 22:24
This was posted by a guy over on 24hrcampfire , for whatever it's worth

"Let me tell you about my experience with Bill Pogue. I was returning from an unsuccesfull hunt on Juniper Mt. In southern Idaho. Eighty miles of two track from the nearest hard road, phone or any other type of help, Pogue stepped into the road and stopped me. No game in the open pick up, empty rifle cased behind the seat. After he searched the truck, he seemed angry he had found no reason to arrest me. He began to jab me in the chest with his left fingers while working the hammer on his revolver with his right. As he backed me away from my truck, I remembered the old Viet Nam feeling of "today I will die". He constantly berated me with taunts of "Don't like it, huh boy" and "What are you going to do about, boy" I believed then and believe now he was looking for an excuse to kill me. I made a silent pledge to myself, and never told any one about it, the next time I saw him in the desert I would kill him.

When Dallas shot him, he was working the hammer on his revolver. Over 300 people were prepared to testify to sinliar events.

Remember, when he went after Dallas, he was acting on behalf of a rancher's son who claimed the area as his own, private trapping domain. Remember Stevens never saw what happened with Pogue but did testify when Elms emerged from the tent his revlover was drawn. Remember also, Stevens was never charged with anything even though he admitted to helping Dallas dispose of Elms' body. Dallas should have been nominated for citizen of the year "

What is interesting about this case, there are a few individuals that get all worked up over Dallas getting out after 25 or 30 years and serving his full term for a manslaughter conviction . Yet convicted murderers get out on parole every day , often with less than ten or very few years actually served , and you don't hear so much as a whimper from these same people........"

This give one hell of a good insight into the character of Bill Pogue.
Paul B.

fabsroman · #33 02-12-2005, 03:34 PM

Yes, many murders do get out early from prison. Some don't even serve 20 years. However, the distinguishing factor that you are missing is that a LEO was killed. Most killers of LEO's end up getting the death penalty if I am not mistaken. Now, I am neither standing up for Pogue nor Claude, just pointing out that oversite in your post PJ. I would assume that those are your words since they don't contain quotation marks, but if they aren't I apologize in advance. You know what they say about assuming.

PJgunner · #34 02-12-2005, 05:56 PM

That post came originally from 24 hour campfire and was posted on accurate reloading. What I know of Pogue was he was at one time an LEO in Winnemucca and tangled with some of the politically powerful in that town. He ended up in Idaho as a game warden. We had a very bad reputation as a bad a$$ hombre in Winnemucca with a rep of doing bad deeds to those he didn't like.
I knew Claude only in a minimal way. He sometimes took odd jobs in Winnemucca, and at least with me was a pleasant enough fellow. I hired him to help me put up a fence around my yard. he did a good job and struck me as a hard worker.
Pogue would come back to Winnemucca at times and party with friends and relatives. On more than one occasion, friends and I heard him spout off that if he caught Claude out in the boonies, he would kill him. LEO or not, I for one figure he got his just deserts.
Now I'm not saying that what Claude did was right. I was not there and was not in that situation. However, considering Pogue's reputation and the factr that he had made threats about Dallas, I'm not to sure I wouldn't have done the same thing if I were in Claudes shoes.
There must be something more to all this, becuase, if Claude was really the bad guy, why did over 300 people want to testify in his behalf against Pogue? Why did so many people in the Winnemucca, Paradise Hill and Paradise Valley area go out of their way to "harbor a fugitive" after he'd killed the two wardens?
I do feel that Claude probably thought he might be "shot while trying to escape.
So, was this a "rogue poaching mountain man" or a bad LEO that was considering doing his own kind of justice?
I don't know, you don't know, nor does anyone else that was not there.
I figure he did the crime, he did the time, leave him be.
Paul B.

gspsonny03 · #35 02-12-2005, 06:50 PM

Maybe you should tell Elm's and Pogue's widow's that what happened was justified. Not only did he commit a crime to them, but to every law-abiding sportsman on these forums. This wasn't his first experience with the law for poaching, and I think that's the point the people are trying to make. He didn't have to live the type of life he did and could have avoided the problems his life created. There is a couple of other points you keep making. If he had 300 people willing to testify for him, why didn't they? You also keep saying that Elm's kept coming out of the tent with gun in hand, now I suppose that's possible, but it was testified in court that his hands had pelts in them, it was also testified by the Idaho state pathologist that Elms was shot in the back, I don't care how else you slice it, that's just wrong. Anytime you kill someone you take everything he is and everything he will be away from him and that's not something to be taken lighly. If this would have been just between Dallas and Pogue most people probably wouldn't care so much about the outcome, but it wasn't.

TheeBadOne · #36 02-12-2005, 09:02 PM

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Originally posted by gspsonny03
Maybe you should tell Elm's and Pogue's widow's that what happened was justified. Not only did he commit a crime to them, but to every law-abiding sportsman on these forums. This wasn't his first experience with the law for poaching, and I think that's the point the people are trying to make. He didn't have to live the type of life he did and could have avoided the problems his life created. There is a couple of other points you keep making. If he had 300 people willing to testify for him, why didn't they? You also keep saying that Elm's kept coming out of the tent with gun in hand, now I suppose that's possible, but it was testified in court that his hands had pelts in them, it was also testified by the Idaho state pathologist that Elms was shot in the back, I don't care how else you slice it, that's just wrong. Anytime you kill someone you take everything he is and everything he will be away from him and that's not something to be taken lightly. If this would have been just between Dallas and Pogue most people probably wouldn't care so much about the outcome, but it wasn't.

Now don't let a little thing like facts get in the way of a good yarn against the establishment and a martyr in the making.

fabsroman · #37 02-12-2005, 09:22 PM

Sheez, I wish we could all sit down, read all the testimony from the trial, look at all the exhibits, and then sit down and discuss this in a nice manner. At the end of the day, I think we might be able to agree on some things. Of course, it would be nice to actually have seen the witnesses testify to see their composure, but I would take reading all the testimony at this point. Even then, we probably would still be missing some of the facts and there would still be contradicting "facts."

TheeBadOne · #38 02-12-2005, 10:01 PM

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Originally posted by fabsroman
Sheez, I wish we could all sit down, read all the testimony from the trial, look at all the exhibits, and then sit down and discuss this in a nice manner. At the end of the day, I think we might be able to agree on some things. Of course, it would be nice to actually have seen the witnesses testify to see their composure, but I would take reading all the testimony at this point.

fabsroman · #39 02-13-2005, 02:06 AM

Thanks TBO.

I was wondering when you were going to see this thread. I almost didn't look at it myself, but it has turned out to be pretty interesting. Never heard of this guy until I read this thread.

Hawkeye6 · #40 02-13-2005, 06:02 AM

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Originally posted by fabsroman
Sheez, I wish we could all sit down, read all the testimony from the trial, look at all the exhibits, and then sit down and discuss this in a nice manner. At the end of the day, I think we might be able to agree on some things. Of course, it would be nice to actually have seen the witnesses testify to see their composure, but I would take reading all the testimony at this point. Even then, we probably would still be missing some of the facts and there would still be contradicting "facts."

Fabs:

I guess that's why we have jurys, huh? Those are the folks who sat down and did all this work. Their verdict was manslaughter (I think?) not murder and the sentence they imposed was 30 years not death.

Taking into account the little that I know about it, it seems to me that justice has been done for all concerned here.

H.

quigleysharps4570 · #41 02-13-2005, 07:25 AM

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Originally posted by fabsroman
Never heard of this guy until I read this thread.

It was quite a deal. Wish I still had all the articles I saw on it.

gspsonny03 · #42 02-13-2005, 08:34 AM

I was going to post the website on here yesterday to some of the old articles, so we could stop all of this he said she said nonsense, but couldn't find it. I still have probably a half dozen different articles in my possession, but don't know how I could post them. I just have copies of them.

Hawkeye6 · #43 02-13-2005, 08:36 AM

You gotta remember. Fabs was a mere child when all this went down.

I remember it, but only vaguely as it was not covered very heavily in Chicago where I lived at the time.

quigleysharps4570 · #44 02-13-2005, 11:11 AM

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Originally posted by gspsonny03
I still have probably a half dozen different articles in my possession, but don't know how I could post them. I just have copies of them.

Do you have a scanner GS?

gspsonny03 · #45 02-13-2005, 11:18 AM

Yes I do, but the print is so small and hard to read, I'm not sure it would let me print it. Other than scanning it I'm not sure where I need to go from there. I know how to scan it, but I don't know if I can enlarge the print and clean it up any? Any help?