Cops and concealed carry? - Page 4

jl1966 · #46 01-20-2006, 08:57 AM

Here we have an example of my reason for starting this thread. I was browsing through and surprised at the activity in this old post. Papi is obviously an example of a now retired law officer who has a problem with armed citizens. Some other current and former officers who have posted do not have this bias. It is an interesting collection of viewpoints.

Adam Helmer · #47 01-20-2006, 03:06 PM

jl1966,

You posted a good thread. I would like to post an interesting event in 1995 in Boston where I encountered 2 young Boston cops, one white and one black, in downtown about 5:00 p.m. on a July afternoon at the bus stop by South Station. My suit coat was not buttoned and there was a slight breeze, apparently my jacket parted enough for the cop to see my holster. I was waiting for my bus home when the black cop said something to the white cop (both were about 25 years old). Both looked at me and both put their hands on their handguns and unsnapped the thumb breaks on their holsters. but did not draw. The black cop came up to me, on my weak side, and asked, "Are you a law enforcement officer? I see you have a handgun on your right hip." I told him I was a federal agent and told him my credential was in my left inside coat pocket. He took it out, looked at it, and handed it back to me. I then advised them that the question about being a LEO obviously excluded properly CCW licensed citizens. His response was, "Yes, that is correct." I asked him why that was "correct" and he advised that he only considered a fellow LEO to be a "Proper Person" to carry a gun.

Yes, far too many new LEOs on the street have a definite "them versus us" attitude about civillian CCW carry. I suggest you be cool and compliant until the newly hired LEO settles down. Personally, I have never been concerned with guns in honest hands, it was the less than 1% of guns in criminal hands that gave me full employment, and none of them qualified for a CCW.

Adam

papi · #48 01-20-2006, 05:39 PM

the 2 officers you referred to did the propper thing.you are trained to ask if you are leo first.i think you want to be politically correct so bad you are making things up.the story sounds contrived at best.as a officer of any kind you would have no reason to even ask about ccw.this is the bad thing that ruins forums.people start making things up

Adam Helmer · #49 01-20-2006, 06:28 PM

papi,

I am not "making things up" as you state. As an Inspector and a citizen with a CCW in two states, I merely wanted to find out the officers' perceptual set and I learned it! As an officer and citizen, I HAD every reason to inquire about CCW or any other subject. Why would you say I "had no reason" to ask a cop about a CCW citizen? What would you deem to be "proper questions" asked of a cop? Where does your "correct" view of proper questions begin and end? Why do you say you were trained to ask, "Are you a LEO, FIRST?" Why is a LEO deemed superior to a properly licensed CCW Citizen? You really are a "Them versus Us" guy, aren't you? Who do the cops work FOR??? Cops are servants and not superiors to citizens, do you understand that?

Personally, I do not care if you believe my prior post. I know it happened and IF you have any evidence it is "contrived" kindly state your case. Maybe you need to "chill out." Please give chilling a chance before you post again; maybe guys like you "ruin forums". Be well.

Adam

papi · #50 01-20-2006, 06:34 PM

you are always trying to toot your own horn. you always have a politically correct story for everything.maybe you should chill and try the truth for a while.the first thing a officer is trained to do is ask if they are a officer.as the officer being questioned you would have no reason at all to ask about a ccw.yep!! contrived at best

Adam Helmer · #51 01-20-2006, 06:46 PM

papi,

As an officer, I could ask the inquiring cop about the weather, the location of the nearest cat house, or the daily number. Why would I need to have "a Reason" for any question I chose to ask? Isn't this still America?

My post is "Contrived" you say. Well, I think you have lost your limited credability long ago on this Forum. Who believes you? I will not respond to you in future; I do not need to drop down to your level. Be well.

Adam

papi · #52 01-20-2006, 07:08 PM

the question is why would the subject even come up between officers.you stated you were a officer.i still thinks its contrived because you like to be politically correct.you know i am right so all you have left is to attack me. it matters not because i know bs when i see it

Rocky Raab · #53 01-22-2006, 07:50 AM

I'm jumping in here.

I've followed this thread, but have not posted in order to stay objective and uninvolved.

The thread has degenerated into name-calling. We do not permit that here at HuntChat.

I'm closing the thread and posting a warning to all of you - if I find any poster continuing or returning to beligerance, that person will be asked to leave the board.