Who is in favor of Israel's actions?

[fabsroman]

Billy,

I forgot to add one thing. Val and I have gone at it about the death penalty and illegal immigration, and I still think of her as a friend. If I were ever in the Fort Lauderdale area, I would look her up and take her to dinner. Likewise, I would do the same if I were in your neck of the woods. Just because we disagree on politics doesn't make us enemies. One of my best friends is a democrat, or as he calls it a conservative democrat, and I think he is one of the most stand up guys I have ever met. He is an attorney too, so take that at what it is worth. LOL

[gspsonny03]

Fabs, Val,
Just a little more religious history if you'll humor me. It wasn't Pilate that had Jesus crucified. He found no fault with what Jesus was doing and refused to crucify him. He told the High Priests (at that time they were in control of the Jews and their sect were called Sad'du-cees), that if they wanted him crucified they would have to do it theirselves. At that time they were under Roman rule and they (the High Priests) considered Caesar the King and didn't want the anger him, so they gave up the only man to ever live who could save us, up for crucifixtion. It's kind of ironic don't you think that he shed his blood to save us from all our sins! He could have saved himself but elected to die on the cross for us.
And by the way for those who want to read this, remember at one time we were all the same race and religion, now that was some four thousand years ago, but if you believe in the Bible, it all started with Adam and Eve, so you figure it out.

[fabsroman]

Sonny,

I thought that Pilate made the Jews pick between Barabas (sp.), a murderer, and Jesus, as to who would be crucified, and the Jews picked Jesus and let Barabas walk. At that point, Pilate told them that they had picked the wrong man.

My religion is a little rusty, so correct me if I'm wrong. I would rather be corrected than go on making the wrong assumption and looking like a bigger moron.

[gspsonny03]

No, that is true he did. He said that he wouldn't make the choice for them because he didn't see where Jesus had done anything to deserve the crucifixtion. He told the High Priests that it would be their decision not his, so they let Barrabas go and condemned Jesus.

[royinidaho]

I agree fully, 100% w/Jewish Miliatry Actions!

Regarding collateral damage in the area.

If I allow my neighbor 70yds away, to conduct covert and overt operations against the Shoshone/Bannock Indian tribe, our common neighbor and could have organized my neighborhood to prevent those actions and the ShoBans launch an arrow on that residence that has an 80yd kill radius.....well its poo poo on me.

If I'm home that day I loose my house and my life. If I'm away I just loose my residence. Either way I should have learned something.

A good read would be Josephus - History of the Jews. Very long read but very imformative.

[royinidaho]

GSP,

Here's one for ya:

The Pharasees believed in the ressurection.

The Sad'du-cees didn't

That's why they were so sad you see.

[Valigator]

Roy, the key sentence in your post was

(If I allow my neighbor 70yds away, to conduct covert and overt operations)

I dont know about you but I have no idea what operations my neighbors are conducting. I will tell you what I keep looking for though, is Hezbollah terrorist being killed and layed out for display instead of babies....

[fabsroman]

Roy,

Last I checked it wasn't so easy to track down "terrorists". We couldn't even find them in our own country and look what happened (i.e., 9/11). There are cells all over the world (e.g., Spain, England) and I don't see them catching any of these guys or stopping all of them before they can strike. However, we expect Lebanon, with its limited technology to be able to do a better job of catching these guys than the FBI. I don't think the Hezbollah walk around with jerseys saying they are members of Hezbollah.

Also, I agree with Val. There is way too much collateral damage. In your scenario, what if the Indians were a lot farther away and instead of launching an arrow they launched a nuke to kill your neighbor and blew up an entire city. Would that be an acceptable amount of collateral damage? Israel could fight this fight with small arms like the US is doing, but instead they decide to use artillery, tanks, cruise missiles, and bombs from planes. Granted, we use bombs from planes every once in a while (e.g., Zerquai), but we aren't taking out airports, roads, bridges, apartment buildings, etc.

[Valigator]

I keep thinking with all the monies all the lives everything that this conflict had on the line....how come the powers that be, werent infiltrating Hezbollah and getting a better idea where and who they were in terms of intelligence...especially since they were in such close proximity to each other...I mean they keep saying how they know the weapons were coming in from Iran to Syria to Lebanon...and how Hezbollah had six years to gain a position on the border....I dont know just a thought...

[BILLY D.]

hi guys

back for a shortie. val it's called appeasement for a trap. you wait till the enemy gets all his sh*^ in one sock and he thinks you are not paying attention then you hammer him.

i would imagine mossad has worked overtime on this matter. mossad is not quite like our cia, mossad is actually an institute or university.

one of my brothers said the place to keep your eye should be france. the french muslim population has swelled to over 25% in total population in recent years. the muslims will cause enough turmoil to start getting government seats. ever notice where all the dictators, ie: muslim go when the doo doo hits the fan in their home country and they are deported. FRANCE. it's the assylum capital of choice.

well thats enough for awhile. i'll be back.

[fabsroman]

Good, I hope France has one heck of a time with them. Maybe we can send out troops to France in a decade or two and oust the French government, and I am being completely serious here.

[BILLY D.]

Originally posted by fabsroman
Good, I hope France has one heck of a time with them. Maybe we can send out troops to France in a decade or two and oust the French government, and I am being completely serious here.

fabs

you might thunk from some of my posts i am anti muslim and i'll look you right in the eye and tell you " your damned right i am."

why you might say. well the first bs we heard from potus was the muslims are peaceful. that may be true to an extent. but why are the "peacfull" muslims not protesting against the extremists?

real simple answer. because the extremeists will eat them alive. the peacefulls will do what they are told and fall right into the ranks. same way the krauts did under hitler. the old ideology of if i want to stay alive all i have to do, is do what i am told. and keep quiet.

american answer, shoot, shovel and shut up.

muslims cause trouble wherever they settle. look at the phillipines, indonesia etc. yes the peacefulls are the first to show up, then the extremeists show up and start stirring the pot.

just lately the aussies had a problem with muslims in which the muslims tol the aussie leader that they followed sharia law. the aussie promptly told them this is australia and we follow aussie law and if they didn't like it to saddle up their camels and get the hell out. i say hooray.

when and if the socialist/democrats, notice i stopped short of calling them communists, which they really are, become elected in '08 we are goimg to be in deep doo doo. they are experts in class warfare. they will side with the muslims, no doubt in my mind. the muslims and the anti-christ have already stolen christmas under the guise of not offending anyone. i say, those people can go urinate up a rope as far as i'm concerned.

back to the roman empire. i was not trying to insult you about that or your lineage. the romans owned everything from north africa to great britain. anything wrong with that? not as far as i'm concerned. the romans and the greeks were the greatest minds on the planet in those times. their feats in mathmatics, medicine and engineering are still unequaled in my book. most of the highways in europe are old roman roads. and you can throw in government into that foray also. our democratic republic is a direct decendant of them.

the post about pilate was correct. he did offer christ back and he washed his hands of the mess. after i was reminded of that i rememberd. i guess what stuck in my mind was the line from the apostles creed ie: suffered under pontius pilate, died and was buried. well it was during pilates reign as govenor but really thats all he had to do with it. sorta like blaming george bush every time the planets are out of alignment.

well i better git.

[fabsroman]

Billy,

I am not going to disagree with a single thing in that post. I think we just need to show the good muslims that they are going to die if they decide to join the bad ones, and I think the US and Israel are doing a good job of it. I saw a pic last night that showed fliers being dropped by the Israelis. It showed the Hezboallah leader hiding behind captured citizens.

As I've said before, I am on the fence regarding Israel in this situation, and I am swaying like the wind. Also saw a pic of a young boy whose van was blown up by an Israeli bomb from a plane. He was pretty messed up. That makes me feel pity for the Lebanese citizens.

Regarding the Roman Empire, I think the US should do the same. Take over Mexico, most of Latin America, and the middle east. That would solve our immigration and oil problem and then Congress can get back to work putzing around.

[Valigator]

One of my nurses and I had a heart to heart today, she is a Lebanese Christian who has much family left in Lebanon...it was the first time I had seen her since the middle of last week, an I asked her about her family and what they were thinking, she said most of the Lebanese thought if it took wiping out the country to rid the area of Hezbollah most of them were for it...I was quite surprised....she said that her family did not want a partial peace, they wanted Hezbollah out....I said Hezbollah gained seats in the elections and that just didnt make sense...she said, Valerie those seats were not gained democratically, Lebanon is a young country and there is still much corruption, as a Lebanese they do not want Hezbollah in Lebanon. There are many Christians, Jews and Muslims who want no part of Hezbollah

[fabsroman]

That begs the question:

"If the majority of Lebanese do not want Hezbollah around, why can they not get rid of them?"

Why is Hezbollah still around if they are not the majority and they are unwanted?

This really pisses me off.