Next President and why

[fabsroman]

Andy,

Good post, but of course I'm going to disagree with you about attorneys being the ONLY reason that health care costs have gone up. How about the drug companies spending $19 billion on advertising a couple of years ago? I don't know what the most recent numbers are, but I can guarantee you that I haven't seen any less commercials from the drug companies.

How about the sophistication of today's medicine. MRI, Cat Scans, X-Rays, brain surgery, etc. 100 years ago, if you got something like cancer you were SOL. Now, they can operate and do a million other things to try and save you. Guess what, those million things cost a bunch.

Yes, attorneys are approached by clients too often to sue over stupid stuff, but sometimes the lawsuits are actually for real. If something bad were to happen to you in a hospital because of a careless doctor or nurse, I'm sure you would want to be compensated too.

Now, I will admit that attorneys do drive up the cost of health care to a degree, but we aren't the only reason for it. I'm all for tort reform. Put a cap on pain and suffering and allow economic damages to the extent they are incurred. Plain and simple.

[PJgunner]

Could this be the solution to the problem?
Paul B.


THE 545 PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE FOR AMERICA

BY CHARLEY REESE


Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them.

Have you ever wondered why, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, we have deficits? Have you ever wondered why, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, we have inflation and high taxes?

You and I don't propose a federal budget. The president does. You and I don't have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The House of Representatives does. You and I don't write the tax code. Congress does. You and I don't set fiscal policy. Congress does. You and I don't control monetary policy. The Federal Reserve Bank does.

One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one president and nine Supreme Court justices - 545 human beings out of the 300 million - are directly, legally, morally and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.

I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered but private central bank.

I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason. They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman or a president to do one cotton- picking thing. I don't care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The politician has the power to accept or reject it.

No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator's responsibility to determine how he votes.


A CONFIDENCE CONSPIRACY

Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless of party.

What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gall of a SPEAKER, who stood up and criticized G.W. BUSH for creating deficits.

The president can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it. The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving appropriations and taxes.

Who is the speaker of the House? She is the leader of the majority party. She and fellow Democrats, not the president, can approve any budget they want. If the president vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto.


REPLACE THE SCOUNDRELS


It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million cannot replace 545 people who stand convicted -- by present facts - of incompetence and irresponsibility.

I can't think of a single domestic problem, from an unfair tax code to defense overruns that is not traceable directly to those 545 people.

When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist.

If the tax code is unfair, it's because they want it unfair. If the budget is in the red, it's because they want it in the red. If the Marines are in IRAQ, it's because they want them in IRAQ.

There are no insoluble government problems. Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take this power.

Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exist disembodied mystical forces like 'the economy,' 'inflation' or 'politics' that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do.

Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible. They, and they alone, have the power. They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses - provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees. We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess.

[Purebred Redneck]

PBR, I can see you havent gone up any IQ numbers. Your too far gone to even discuss things with. However, guns are a big deal to some of us. Even the black guns that annoy you when your on the range.

I can see you haven't gone up in IQ either.

It's funny, you're the only one who has been unreasonable to me both last year in a thread as well as now.

Everyone else has been very reasonable and respectfull.

Learn a little manners

[Andy L]

Fabs,
I know lawyers arent totally responsible. I know some doctors that abuse the system as well. Still if the system wasnt abused, whether by patients, doctors or lawyers, there would still be plenty of room for research, ect... and healthcare would be more affordable.

PBR,
I have a hard time being civil to someone who supports socialistic views. I wont do it. If others want to tolerate you, thats their decision. Mine is to not.

You and others that think like you serve no other purpose than to undermine our way of life. You do this so you and others can have, without earning it, what others have worked hard for.

I remember your argument that someone annoyed you with an "assualt rifle" at a shooting range. That was your excuse for jumping on the "ban wagon". Your arguments dont hold water and its a typical democrat/socialist view. And people like you are going to be the death of the greatest country that has ever existed on the face of the planet.

No, I wont be civil.

[skeet]

I guess I just have to say ...somebody annoyed me with an original assault weapon one time. Ya know..it was a rock. I even decided I would get me one of those assault weapons so I went out and dug up an assault rock that ya put on a stick. Indians used to call 'em tomahawks. I don't know whether PBR is a socialist or whatever...but to be honest. Maybe he just hasn't thought the whole process through. Then again maybe he has. I really don't know so I ain't accusing anybody of anything. But you are correct. Socialists and communists are going to be the death of this FREE country. The people who exist and breed while living on the teat of this country should actually have no say in the running of it. It used to be that the only ones who could vote in this country were what they called free men and landholders. Not advocating slavery understand...but I do advocate the idea that if you do not have an earned income..you shouldn't be able to vote. The people that earn an income are the ones paying for the ones not working. If they(the ones not working) have the vote then they can perpetuate a system that gives to the non working to the detriment of the ones that do. I would ask PBR what he feels about that idea. Just to tell ya something. There aren't all that many people here in Wyoming. The unemployment rate is supposedly just under 2%... and as someone told me those are the ones who just don't want to work or the few who can't physically work. Pay is not high here but the living is just as expensive. People live here for the freedom that they have compared to many states farther east(and west). Now I know there are many places where the unemployment rate is much higher. Also a question for PBR... do you feel that people that are on either welfare or unemployment should do some kind of work for the common good if they receive government handouts...if they are able to work?? Even FDR had the CCC and other programs that did much for the common good. My father worked for the CCC way back when. Of course that was when people really wanted to pay their own way. And a final question for PBR ..what allows you to keep the freedoms you have always enjoyed in this country..ie. is there any specific amendment to the constitution that has always guaranteed that freedom? And another question for anyone ..should we seal our southern borders and deport all illegals from this country? I ask this just for my general knowledge.

Oh and Andy...you know that attorneys are the single biggest problem we have in this country. Don't quibble with Fabs...just cause he is a good guy even if he is an attorney!!! Oh...wait a minute. Maybe i was wrong. I'll quibble a bit too. Ya know...he might just sue me if I ain't careful

[Andy L]

Just dont paint your rock black, Skeet. Some liberal bozo will wet their panites and they will have to get Pelosi and company to ban black rocks.

Oh, and stay away from semi auto rocks. Obama says hes going to ban them. Make sure you have a bolt action or single shot rock. Those cant harm people. Those evil black semi auto rocks are good for nothing and a danger to society.

See how ignorant the liberal cry sounds when you replace one word?

[Aim to maim]

Originally posted by skeet
...It used to be that the only ones who could vote in this country were what they called free men and landholders. Not advocating slavery understand...but I do advocate the idea that if you do not have an earned income..you shouldn't be able to vote. The people that earn an income are the ones paying for the ones not working. If they(the ones not working) have the vote then they can perpetuate a system that gives to the non working to the detriment of the ones that do...

Amen and preach on. I'll probably be flamed for saying it, but the whole concept of "universal suffrage" will lead to the eventual downfall of any form of representative government.

[Andy L]

I agree. If you dont have a stake in things and contribute, then your a leech on society. Why should leeches be making any decisions?

Voting age needs to be looked at too. What the hell do 18-22 yr olds know about how the world works? All they know is what a bunch of liberal teachers and professors have washed their brains with. Thats a big problem this time around. There is a huge movement of liberal youths shouting for change. If you sat them down alone, dollars to doughnuts not a damn one could say what or why they acutally want something changed.

I live in rural Missouri. This is a heavy republican county. Farming and ranching are the main source of income. Farm and ranch life and activities are the norm. All this said, I cannot believe what the teachers tell our kids. They are almost all extreme left wing. Anti gun, anti hunting, social healthcare, ect... you name a secular progressive movement and they are for it. If its that bad here, I cant imagine what the bigger cities are going through with these clowns. Im not real sure I want my kids taught in a college that teaches this manure either.

Im glad my kids pay enough attention to see through it and even have a little fun at the clowns expense at times.

[Purebred Redneck]

Thank you skeet, I'll try to address all of your questions

The idea of socialism is not feeding off of someone else. It's an economic principle that provides a more equal distribution of wealth and it provides incentives for the lower class to pull their weight more. I'm by no means calling for a soviet union style of government where everyone lives in a white house of the exact same design. That's ridiculas.
I would create a "living wage" for those who work full time. You know, ditch diggers and fast food workers benifit everyone and I think their hard work (regardless of those people's past) deserve more than 6 dollars an hour. Likewise, I don't think someone who has a luxury office and plays golf all day deserves 50 million dollars. I would want to put a cap on salary. And you know what, when you have more money than God, you're not going to miss a couple million.
Even Warren Buffett thinks the rich needs to pay more taxes.

If you look at primitve tribes in the middle east, africa, or the amazon - there is a equal distribution of wealth. Sure, there is a hierarchy. However, everyone from a high priest to a berry picker is highly valued. That's what we need here - everyone needs to be appreciated for their contribution to society. In turn, individuals have a higher self worth, low crime, etc.

Well this is a democracy (ok, a democratic republic...) and the people decide through their reps what direction and laws they want passed. And the government is designed to move slow to make sure laws are not passed too quickly without a lot of thought.
But with a majority rule (specifically the law making process), I think the people can make whatever laws or changes they wish (with some exceptions). If the working class is feeling financial pressure, with enough votes in congress they can somewhat alter the burden. Likewise, it works the opposite way. The republicans were able to get enough votes to pass the bush tax cut in favor of the rich. That's just the way things work with a 2 party system --- you win some, you lose some. Quick changes are pretty minor and large ones are a long time comming (national health care for example).

Welfare
When union workers get laid off, many times they have to go to the union hall and wait for charity work to be assigned to them. I would like to see something like this for welfare recipiants - whether it be at varouis locations in cities or towns, county seats, etc. I would like to see reform in the job search requirements. Jobs are out there - they might suck - but they are out there. And that is why I think a living wage and a more equal distribution of wealth will help. When you feel positive about the job you're doing and you can make living off it - your situation appears in a different light. There's no factory workers that like their jobs - but it gives their family what they need (or at least it used to).

The constitution actually is a pretty meaningless document when you consider that ammendments can be ammended. Now don't all jump me - because I'm not bashing the constitution (I'm sure it will still be interpreted that way). It's symbolic factor is very high and it does represent the current laws. The fact is that the constitution and amendments can be changed - Prohibition for example. The fact is it's easier to pass laws in other ways - and that's what happens today though --- Abortion for example. Some states have a amendment stating their constituation can not be ammended. To my knowledge, the US does not. Therefore there is really nothing concrete about the federal law.
Think about that for a minute - whether you agree with me or not.

Have a good night

[BILLY D.]

Well it appears the Republican race for Prez is over untill 2011. Unless there is a miracle at the convention, McGrumpy will get his fanny handed to him in November.

I'll be voting independant. He just turns me off totally. The only thing he has going for him as far as I'm concerned is his Vietnam Service.

Bill

[Andy L]

In a nutshell, I hit it on the noggin right off the bat. Your just like the other clowns, PBR. You want your cut to be the same as everyone elses without having to work for it.

So, if someone goes to school for 20+ yrs of their life, takes the risk of opening a business and is successful, there should be a cap on how much money they can make so some worthless POS that partied the first 25+ yrs of their life can sober up and get a sizeable cut. Thats exactly what your saying. Not?

The USA was founded on hard work and self reliance. Not suckingn off the government teat and relying on others that work harder and are smarter than yourself.

Get a life.

[Andy L]

I'll be voting independant

Thats exactly why the republicans will lose this time. There are enough of the right wing that do stupid stuff like this to hand it to the commies.

I dont like McCain very well myself. But hes a damned sight better than the alternative, no matter which one it is. Voting independent is nothing more than tossing your vote in the trash. You might as well save the gas money and stay home.

[BILLY D.]

Originally posted by Andy L
Thats exactly why the republicans will lose this time. There are enough of the right wing that do stupid stuff like this to hand it to the commies.

I dont like McCain very well myself. But hes a damned sight better than the alternative, no matter which one it is. Voting independent is nothing more than tossing your vote in the trash. You might as well save the gas money and stay home.

Well now, help me pick a trash pile. Should I choose the Hitlery/Osamama trash pile, The Mcain trash pile or the possible Paul or whoever trash pile?

No way in HE!! I'd vote for the first option. I don't like the second a whole lot more, he's anti against everything I'm for.

I have voted in every election since 1960 and theres no way that I will not vote. Do we still have write ins? I've never done that.

I don't have to worry about gas expence. I live a block and a half from a precinct.

Bill

[skeet]

I hate to just agree with the bluntness of Andy but he hit it on the head. You are talking redistribution of wealth. Hate to say it but That is not socialism at all. That is basically communism. I agree that the somewhat primitive tribes in those locales do share and share alike although you really didn't go far enough looking at them. They do that mainly for one reason..survival as a group. Also another thing you don't state although i am sure you know it but everyone works that can work. Even the ones who cannot do much still contribute what they can. I don't mind helping those who are unable to work..but giving the able even a living "wage" for doing nothing goes against the grain. I feel anyone who tries to make something of themselves by going to school and learning something to make a better living should NOT have his income taxed to take care of thos who don't even try. Evidently you have a business of your own..If you have an employee do you share the profits of the business with him equally? Even if he doesn't work as hard as you? I doubt it but if you do I commend you. If not then I feel I. should say this..according to your statements you are saying you should. As you didn't answer the question about welfare trying to confuse the issue by talking of a living wage I would still like to see your feelings on that. Should people that are able to work be made to work on projects for the common good to earn their welfare? Now when it comes to the Constitution the Bill of Rights are inviolable in my opinion. The liberals pass laws to get around them but that is our fault for not watching who we elect. Why should we have to give up rights just because people think it is best for us? Now do you feel that people who contribute nothing and just live off the dole (the ones able to work) should be able to vote? If so tell me why. Please don't confuse this issue with living wage ideas etc. I don't feel that a living wage for everyone is the same amount. I also don't think you do although you seem to want to do as Robin Hood did and take from the rich and give to the poor. Possibly a commendable idea given the circumstances of that story. But is that the scenario we are living in this country? I really don't think so

[Lilred]

And another question for anyone ..should we seal our southern borders and deport all illegals from this country? I ask this just for my general knowledge.

The answer is yes, skeet. I dont care iffin it cost the US and it's taxpayers 5 mill week to operate, I'm sure it's very close if not cheaper than what we pay fer illegals now and it's simply the GP of the whole thing that's worth every dollar spent. (GP= general principle)

I also believe that people on welfare should not have the right to vote, however, many people these days vote fer their own lil agendas that dont mean crap. Like women votin fer Hillary, cause she's a woman.
The best way to git people on welfare to git offa welfare is just to take away the dam check...lol Helluva lt cheaper too.
I also think the votin age should be raised..2 er 3 generations ago, when you turned 18...you actually acted like a man instead of it just bein a legal age. That time has come and gone and I see folks in their 20's actin like teenagers with no sense of direction.
Hell, my bro in law is 30 and all he does is sit around and play video games livin offa my sisters money.

I think I'm gonna join the army, take out some of my aggressions on some terroist somewhere in Arabville lol