Hunt Chat  

Go Back   Hunt Chat > All Things HC > Guns and Gear

Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-06-2010, 12:38 AM
Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: MIDWEST
Posts: 45
Cowboy Ammo and Self Defense

What is your opinion about the use of "Cowboy" ammo in a revolver
or rifle for self-defense? I have heard pros and cons about it. Some say
it's a bad idea because the bullets are too brittle and there would not be adequate penetration. Others say the bullets need more velocity (850
feet per second or more) to fend off an attacker. Would you use 45 Colt or 44-40 "Cowboy" ammo for self defense purposes?

Cherokee Cowboy
" Society owes me nothing except the respect that I must deserve by honesty, hard work, and mutual respect!"
Reply With Quote
Old 01-06-2010, 09:38 AM
GoodOlBoy's Avatar
GoodOlBoy GoodOlBoy is offline
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Deep east Texas
Posts: 5,866
Keep in mind that cowboy aciton ammo simulates the speeds and velocities of ammo during the old west (although some of that is bunk because I have seen people shoot very slow very lightweight cowboy ammo that barely makes it to the paper). Also most cowboy action ammo uses very soft lead. Not only is it not brittle but it mushrooms when it hits a solid mass (like bone) like nobodies business.

In the last few years I have used or seen used a cowboy action 45 colt 250gr LRN to terminate the following.

#1 Had to put down a beloved family pet (a large black lab mix) who had been shredded in a fight with a rabid animal. It was a Sunday when we found him and the vet (who lives 30 miles from me) said he would be willing to come give him a shot to put him down if I could wait four hours and pay nearly a grand. I wasn't going to make my dog wait that long. From twenty yards the 45 colt round entered just above dead center of the eyes. He had his head down so it traveled through the skull out his neck, through his chest (and breastbone) and out his ribcage into the ground so deep the bullet couldn't be recovered easily. His suffereing was over less than a heartbeat after I pulled the trigger.

#2 Shot a buck deer in the neck that had been wounded by another hunter with a arrow still sticking out of his ribcage. At 50 yards it completely penetrated his neck muscle and bone dropping him instantly.

#3 have seen two 300+lb hogs dropped with a 45 colt by a neighbor using cowboy ammo. The lead bullet completed penetrated the neck on one and exited the rear hip. On the second he shot it in the head and dropped it.

#4 have seen a cow who had broken her spine during birth to her first calf (which was WAY to large for her) shot between the eyes. The round completely penetrated her skull and lodged in her neck.

I have seen alot of other exmples as well.

So yes we as people are think skinned, and amazingly delicate. A 45 colt cowboy round won't even stop in a person. Perticularly when you consider that statistically most gun fights, and self defense shootings happen withing 7 yards.

For those who tells you only velocity kills remind them that there ain't much velocity in a sledge hammer, and I don't want to be hit with that either.

(Moderator - Gear & Gadgets, Cowboy Action, SouthWest Regional, Small Game)

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. - John 3:16 KJV

Then I commended mirth, because a man hath no better thing under the sun, than to eat, and to drink, and to be merry: for that shall abide with him of his labour the days of his life, which God giveth him under the sun. - Ecclesiastes 8:15 KJV

"The gun has been called the great equalizer, meaning that a small person with a gun is equal to a large person, but it is a great equalizer in another way, too. It insures that the people are the equal of their government whenever that government forgets that it is servant and not master of the governed." - 40th President of the United States Ronald Reagan 1911-2004
Reply With Quote
Old 01-06-2010, 12:46 PM
buckhunter buckhunter is offline
Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Peoples Republic of Massachusetts
Posts: 2,116
Compare a 45LC to a 45APC. Questioned answered.
Reply With Quote
Old 01-06-2010, 03:13 PM
Mr. 16 gauge Mr. 16 gauge is offline
Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Troy, MI
Posts: 1,370
I would imagine that being hit with a .44-45 caliber lead slug....slow or not....would take the fight (and air....and blood) out of most people.
If your dog thinks that your the greatest, don't go seeking a second opinion!
Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-2010, 01:45 AM
Swift Swift is offline
Registered User
Join Date: May 2001
Location: PA
Posts: 1,003
I'd prefer any bullet hit to a punch in the gut.
220 Swift still King
Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-2010, 12:13 PM
skeet skeet is offline
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Northwest Wyoming
Posts: 4,602
Gettin shot

Gettin shot up surely isn't much fun...but..have you all read any accounts of gun fights? Especially in the old west venue? Some of those guys took numerous hits and kept on fighting. Don't know if it was poor ammo or poor accuracy by the shooter or what. Even today some people take a lot of killin before they go down. Maybe in the past if wasn't acceptable to run after gettin hit by a bullet. And of course it depends on where you(preferably they) get hit. But as Swift says..It sure is better than a punch in the stomach

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!"
Benjamin Franklin
Reply With Quote

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:31 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.