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Old 04-23-2008, 11:31 AM
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http://64.184.32.112/cmmg_images/tbl...er_Vid_III.wmv

To fire, the powder charge and bullet are loaded via a ramrod. Using a standard magazine with a single shot follower, an unloaded but primed 5.56 case is loaded into the mag, inserted in magazine well and chambered just like a standard rifle.
Once the rifle is fired, the empty brass is ejected manually.
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Old 04-23-2008, 03:34 PM
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Well

It is somewhat unconventional..but it IS a muzzloader. But I don't need one, want one or even want to shoot one. Then i would have to clean it.
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Old 04-24-2008, 12:48 AM
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I wonder where I can get one... Just to see the game warden blow a gasket...

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Old 04-24-2008, 06:38 AM
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Hmmm...seems kinda fishy to me. I noticed the tape was cut right when he seated the bullet. (well, that aint what i call seated but...for a lack of better words)
and he never packed it...while the method he used can be done, I wouldn't call that a muzzleloader. Then again, my definition of a muzzleloader might not fit everybody else's.
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Old 04-24-2008, 08:23 AM
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I know I'm old, and I guess I'm old fashioned too. My preference in MLs are flinters, and then percussions. Some are originals some are modern, but look like the ones my Greatgrand father would have used. To me it is a relaxing way to hunt and in my mind relive the ways of my forefathers, guess I just prefer to live in the past. My bolt actions are either rimfires or centerfires.
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Old 04-24-2008, 01:01 PM
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My preference in MLs are flinters,...
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Old 04-24-2008, 04:25 PM
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Is this a muzzleloader?

If the powder charge and the bullet are loaded from the muzzle - it is a muzzleloader! Don't care what kind of shell with a primer or bare primer you use to set it off.
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Old 04-24-2008, 04:39 PM
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Yeah

What Larry said! So there!...but I do agee
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Old 04-24-2008, 11:21 PM
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I say that's not a muzzleloader.
It is being loaded from the muzzle, true, but it CAN be loaded from the breech. A genuine muzzleloader cannot be loaded from the breech.
As a historical precedent, I'll cite Harry Pope, and the other Scheutzen (sp?) target shooters of the late 1800's. Harry Pope was the premier gunsmith of the target shooting crowd of that era, and his preferred set up was a single shot breechloading rifle. However, the rifles sometimes had false muzzles and the projectile could be loaded from the muzzle. A cartidge, primed and loaded with BP, was loaded from the breech- exactly like the film clip.
Harry Pope's rifles were often loaded from the breech, too. A soft lead bullet was seated into the rifling, separate from a cartridge, with a seating tool. Then a primed and loaded cartridge was placed in the chamber. Voila! breechloader! Just like that guy's AR is a breechloader.
That fellow may be using his AR as a muzzleloader, but you could do that with most modern rifles. If you can load it from the breech, whether you choose to or not, it's a breechloader.
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Old 04-25-2008, 12:40 AM
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Go Back Farther than Pope

1770's To the Ferguson rifle. Breechloading rifle. Flinter so I am sure the powers that be would let us use them in the primitive seasons. And Pope's rifles were true breechloading rifles. They were metallic cartridge rifles. The powder etc was loaded in the breech. They just loaded the bullet down the bbl to get better accuracy. This is no different than some of the caplock arms that I have seen..other than the fact the guy used a 223 case with primer to set her off. As I said..I don't need one but just cause we don't like the way it looks...don't mean it ain't a muzzleloader. Don't be a Zumbo. Powder and ball down the bbl. Some kinda primer to set her off...voila. Muzzy loader JMO understand.
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Old 04-25-2008, 12:58 AM
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Actually, Skeet, I don't dislike the rifle at all- looks interesting.
I just don't consider it a muzzleloader. Nor do I consider a Harry Pope Scheutzen rifle a muzzleloader.
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Old 04-25-2008, 05:37 PM
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Is this a muzzleloader?

Jack, I erred in following the the logic the local G&F department uses. They say if the main powder charge and bullet go down the barrel from the front, it is a muzzleloader. I am aware/familiar of the slug guns with false muzzles; had some through a friends hands about a month ago. There used to be articles about them in the Gun Digest about 50 years ago (I'm an old fart). But if they are capable of being loaded from the rear, they call them a breach loader,ie, the Sharps paper cartridge rifles. If the "ball" can't be loaded from the rear, they are a muzzleloader. I will stand by that position; until someone shows me how I am screwed up!
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