know what you are shooting?

[fabsroman]

Like I said before, it is quite impossible to see everything when you are swinging on a bird. For example, if I am swinging right to left on a duck, and an eagle decides to come in from the left for a killing dive on this same duck, and the my shot is on target, as is the eagle, you can bet there will be a dead duck and a dead eagle, and I will have never seen that eagle. As I said before, it is almost impossible to make sure of the background, immediately before pulling the trigger, while upland hunting. The window to make the shot is about 2, maybe 3 seconds, depending on how quick the bird is and how it is moving. An upland hunter has to be aware of his/her surroundings all the time, and it doesn't help when people are walking all over the place.

I have had this issue with dove hunters moving all over the field instead of staying put.

At the end of the day, everybody should have gone for the downed bird and the hunting should have resumed afterward.

As previously stated, I believe there is a lot more for the media to worry about than Cheney and this accident. People die in sports and hobbies every day. Look at Dake Earnhardt. Stuff happens.

Now, lets worry about Iran getting nukes and China overpowering the US in both trade and military. Let's worry about the guys and gals overseas in the armed forces. See, the media isn't harping on that too much, because we don't get outraged about it and it isn't as controversial as it once was.

[Skyline]

fabs...........I totally agree.

[fabsroman]

SETTING THE (SAFETY) RECORD STRAIGHT . . . Vice President Dick Cheney’s hunting accident in Texas two weeks ago has generated immeasurable coverage by the media, some of which even poked fun at the incident. But while it was a prime opportunity to focus on hunter safety, it was almost as rare as a hunting accident to find safety statistics mentioned anywhere in the television or print media. In a column in Thursday’s New York Post, John Lott and Joni Ogle wrote, “A Nexis search of news stories found that in all the avalanche of news coverage none of the national television news broadcasts on [last] Sunday and Monday mentioned gun-hunters' safety record. Only three of the 76 newspaper and wire stories through Monday had mentioned anything about these accidents being rare.”

[Skyline]

You boys might enjoy this one.

Secret Service agents say Cheney was drunk when he shot lawyer
By DOUG THOMPSON
Feb 22, 2006, 07:35
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A written report from Secret Service agents guarding Vice President Dick Cheney when he shot Texas lawyer Harry Whittington on a hunting outing two weeks ago says Cheney was "clearly inebriated" at the time of the shooting.

Agents observed several members of the hunting party, including the Vice President, consuming alcohol before and during the hunting expedition, the report notes, and Cheney exhibited "visible signs" of impairment, including slurred speech and erratic actions, the report said.
According to those who have read the report and talked with others present at the outing, Cheney was drunk when he gunned down his friend and the day-and-a-half delay in allowing Texas law enforcement officials on the ranch where the shooting occurred gave all members of the hunting party time to sober up.

We talked with a number of administration officials who are privy to inside information on the Vice President's shooting "accident" and all admit Secret Service agents and others saw Cheney consume far more than the "one beer' he claimed he drank at lunch earlier that day.

"This was a South Texas hunt," says one White House aide. "Of course there was drinking. There's always drinking. Lots of it."

Cheney has a long history of alcohol abuse, including two convictions of driving under the influence when he was younger. Doctors tell me that someone like Cheney, who is taking blood thinners because of his history of heart attacks, could get legally drunk now after consuming just one drink.

If Cheney was legally drunk at the time of the shooting, he could be guilty of a felony under Texas law and the shooting, ruled an accident by a compliant Kenedy County Sheriff, would be a prosecutable offense.

But we will never know for sure because the owners of the Armstrong Ranch, where the shooting occurred, barred the sheriff's department from the property on the day of the shooting and Kenedy County Sheriff Ramon Salinas III agreed to wait until the next day to send deputies in to talk to those involved.

Sheriff's Captain Charles Kirk says he went to the Armstrong Ranch immediately after the shooting was reported on Saturday, February 11 but both he and a game warden were not allowed on the 50,000-acre property. He called Salinas who told him to forget about it and return to the station.

"I told him don't worry about it. I'll make a call," Salinas said. The sheriff claims he called another deputy who moonlights at the Armstrong ranch, said he was told it was "just an accident" and made the decision to wait until Sunday to investigate.

"We've known these people for years. They are honest and wouldn't call us, telling us a lie," Salinas said.

Like all elected officials in Kenedy County, Salinas owes his job to the backing and financial support of Katherine Armstrong, owner of the ranch and the county's largest employer.

"The Armstrongs rule Kenedy County like a fiefdom," says a former employee.

Secret Service officials also took possession of all tests on Whittington's blood at the hospitals where he was treated for his wounds. When asked if a blood alcohol test had been performed on Whittington, the doctors who treated him at Christus Spohn Hospital Memorial in Corpus Christi or the hospital in Kingsville refused to answer. One admits privately he was ordered by the Secret Service to "never discuss the case with the press."

It's a sure bet that is a private doctor who treated the victim of Cheney's reckless and drunken actions can't talk to the public then the memo that shows the Vice President was drunk as a skunk will never see the light of day.

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[fabsroman]

I neither believe nor disbelieve that article.

There is way too much crap floating around in the media and the internet nowadays.

I would need to see the Secret Service "report."

[larryours]

Rubicon, gd, & M.T.
Hey guys, it sounds like hunting on that ranch is for "Ego" trips, I'd rather stay here in West Virginia and hunt for what ever is legal with my recurve, because what ever I kill with my recurve is a trophy to me, and awhole lot less expensive. I 'd almost bet my bottom dollar that the acorn fed spike buck I killed last fall, tasted better than the $14,570 buck. I know every one would like to kill a big buck, but to pay that much money to kill a big buck is like raping our hunting privilege, and murder for hire. It just goes against the grain, I can see paying a reasonable fee for the privilege to hunt on someone's property, to help off set property taxes, but when you get into paying x amount of dollars for a
certain animal, then, that's getting above and beyond hunting.

[rick savage]

diffirent strokes for different folks.forget cheney let;s hog hunt

[NoHarm]

Paying money to go and kill one of your fellow creatures of creation. Is that GOOD or evil?

[Tater]

I smell a troll

[TreeDoc]

Originally posted by NoHarm
Paying money to go and kill one of your fellow creatures of creation. Is that GOOD or evil?

That would be GOOD, food isn't free and there's plenty of room for all of God's creatures.........






....right next to the mashed potatos!

[captain2k_ca]

Originally posted by TreeDoc
That would be GOOD, food isn't free and there's plenty of room for all of God's creatures.........






....right next to the mashed potatos!

Don't forget the gravy.......

Tho I must say I prefer MANbeef

[DelDuck]

Originally posted by Tater
I smell a troll

Me too.

[muledeer]

Hmmmm taters and muledeer.
muledeer

[TheeBadOne]

[Classicvette63]

If the ranch owner wants sympathy, it's in the dictionary right between scat and syhphillis. This crap, and that is exactly what it is, of having a fine line between which bucks you can shoot and which you can't has about worn out my patience. If you hunt long enough, you will be surprised by how big or how little a rack is once you are actually standing over it. It happens to everyone. Not knowing your target doesn't fly here. That ridiculous argument can be taken to any extreme. Ever shoot a doe that turned out to be a "button" buck? Ever shoot a "buck" with horns that didn't have the equipment out back?

Beer and guns have a lot in common. Nowadays a lot of folks make assumptions just from the mere mention of them. Firearms do not equate a trigger happy lunatic just as beer does not equate to a drunken alcoholic. If those guys were drinking all day, that is bad. If they were just having one at the end of a long day hunting, pass me one. Been there, done that.