know what you are shooting?

[rubicon]

check this out www.rexkramer.com/bigdeer.wmv

[Skinny Shooter]

Yep, and check this out: Vice Pres Cheney shoots hunter
And there weren't even any bushes around for "rustle" to hide in...

[fabsroman]

I watched the video, and I still cannot understand what the problem was. It is kind of like a guy I knew that invited me to hunt on his property, but asked me only to shoot does. Isn't the whole dream about big game hunting shooting that big buck. I have no idea why the other guy was so bent out of shape that a huge buck was killed by his buddy. I also don't understand why they kept saying that he had to get his check book out. Was this a ranch where you have to pay for the deer you kill based upon the size of the deer? That really sucks.

I think people are taking hunting way too far. So many people are fixated on shooting the biggest buck, the most limits in a year, or the most waterfowl/birds/game compared to their buddy. I blame the media/hunting shows for a lot of this stuff.

I'm going to visit that website and see what the ranch is about.

As far as Cheney is concerned, my wife told me about it, and I could see how it might happen while upland hunting. However, I would need to know all the facts before forming an opinion.

[gd357]

That particular ranch is a regular stop for the Realtree bunch, and that guy was obviously on a "management" deer hunt where he was supposed to kill a mature 8 or 9 point buck (it sounds like they had a particular deer in mind). He evidently saw this deer at last light, and didn't look at the antlers, just shot. Instead of taking a mature cull buck, he shot a "trophy" class animal (that hunt costs a heck of a lot more, possibly based on the score of the rack). The hunt probably took place in the pre-rut, and the idea behind cull hunts is to take lesser deer out of the herd before most of the breeding takes place. Woops.

gd

[gd357]

I looked up the pricing on their web site, here it is.

Trophy Fees - Hunts Types Available
140-150 B&C $100/inch - Management Hunt - up to 140 B&C
150-160 B&C $200/inch - Limited Hunt - up to 155 B&C
160-170 B&C $300/inch - Super Hunt - Unlimited
170 B&C + $400/inch

Evidently this guy was after a $100/inch deer and probably shot one that was $300 or $400/inch (according to rexkramer.com that bad judgement call cost him an extra $14,570)

A bigger concern is why everyone in the truck has a beer - the driver included.

gd

[M.T. Pockets]

It's not a place I'll be going to hunt anytime soon. If they want the guy to shoot a particular deer, maybe they should have a "guide" from the ranch with him to tell him which one. I'm sure it's a legal hunt, but it just wouldn't be for me.

[fabsroman]

gd,

I looked at the price list last night, and I can assure you that I will never pay that kind of money to kill a deer, or anything else for that matter. Okay, let me rephrase that. I would have to be making over a million a year before I paid anything like that.

I understand the entire concept of taking "cull" bucks before the breeding season, but didn't think about it while watching the video. I just thought it was a regular old hunt and they just wanted the guy to kill a "cull" buck that they saw while they were out hunting the day before.

Regarding the beers in their hands, I find it rather sad. There are way too many hunters that combine hunting and drinking together. That might even be worse than drinking and driving.

[gd357]

fabs,
Yeah, not good. The rexkramer website doesn't give me good feelings about that group at all. Whether handling firearms or a motor vehicle, alcohol is a bad idea. And they seem to be doing both at the same time. I wouldn't be caught dead hunting on a place like that. (and i use the term hunting loosely)

If I'm gonna spend that much to go on a hunt, it'll be in Africa. And it'll be for a heck of a lot more than one animal.
And it'll be a long time before I can pull that off - if ever

gd

[rick savage]

that is why i don;t hunt high fence, why did;nt they put yellow ribbons on the ones to kill?

[McPat]

I'd like to comment on the "Cheney " thing. I asked my 11 year old daughter what was wrong with that picture after she had heard about it in school. She promptly replied that he didn't know what was beyond his target. Good for her. C'mon Dick!!!
McPat

[skeeter@ccia.com]

Maybe the VP thought upon hearing the word.."Quail"....that it was indeed the Dan one?.....humm..''...wonder what he did with his 'sign'?

I indeed feel for the man on the receiving end there. Once on a hunt, an x hunter friend of mine took a pop at a running bunny my beagle brought between us...it just so happened I was in a creek bottom over the knull....but upon hearing the shot and feeling the bb's on my jacket, I dove for the dirt..I love that heavy canvas outfit....

[gmherps]

Originally posted by Skinny Shooter
Yep, and check this out: Vice Pres Cheney shoots hunter
And there weren't even any bushes around for "rustle" to hide in...

Say again? He was in tall grass retrieving a bird.

[Skinny Shooter]

gmherps, that was a play off of the "that rustle in the bushes might really be "Russell".

[fabsroman]

Guys, we do not know all the facts here. I can see how something like this could happen.

For instance, lets say the guy who got shot, an attorney, leaves off the right side of the group to retrieve a downed bird, and the group continues to move forward and hunt. When the attorney goes to pick the bird up, the bird gets up again and flies all the way to the left backside of the hunting group. The attorney goes over there, picks up the now dead bird, and starts to return to the hunting group on the left side, not the right side from whence he came. Now, Cheney figures the attorney left the group on the right side. A quail gets up and starts flying to the left and then curves around and heads behind the group on the left side. Cheney is tracking the bird, never thinking that his buddy, the attorney is coming up from the left side and he pulls the trigger on the bird. Now, for those of us that bird hunt, we all know that when you pull the trigger, the shot will hit further on along the swing. Hence, Cheney might never have seen his buddy when he pulled the trigger.

You also have to ask yourself why the attorney didn't drop to the ground when he saw a bird flying between he and Cheney and Cheney swinging the gun after the bird. You can bet that I would be hitting the dirt in that circumstance. If you are in the dirt, there is very, very little chance of you getting hit by a fellow hunter tracking a flying target.

[TheeBadOne]