might be kickn the 270wsm as my lang range rifle

[Evan03]

the mirage sahde you mean the sunshade. or are you talking about the honey come filter deal.

i thought this was so that a sniper wasnt spotted from the lenses shineing in the sunlight or headlights or anything.

[royinidaho]

I guess its a sun shade maybe 3 inches long. Makes it quite nice when shooting into the sun.

The mirage shades I use are usually long cardboard tubes that go almost the length of the bbl to keep bbl heat from messing things up.

[Hi Ball]

Evan-03, if your looking at your long range rifle for taking big game animals, then the 300 mag caliber is the one to choose in my humble opinion. I carried this 300 Win mag using those 180 bullets for over 25 years. I even went as far back then to shoot long range against some pretty well made custom rifles and it did a very respectable job.

However, if your looking for a long range Super Star in a caliber, with all the BC and still have decent bullet weight too for match shooting at long range, I will suggest the 6.5/284-Norma. It has been winning long range (1000yards) shooting matches for many years and is very easy on recoil to the body at the bench.

A few months ago, I took a .300WSM model 70 Winchester and screwed on a new 26 inch stainless barrel in a 6.5 (.264 caliber) and don't mind tell you that this little gem really tows the line, when it comes to sending a 140 grain bullet down range or using those 160 grain bullets on big game animals.

The sectional density of the 160 grain bullets is a whopping .328, Holy Cow~!!! If you compare this to the .270 caliber's 150 grain bullets at . 279, you can see real quick which one rules the roost in that area. None the less Evan, for taking of large big game animals at long range, I would still pick up my 300 Winchester magnum using either the 180 or 200 grain bullets and never give it a second thought period. My 180 loads went out that barrel at over 3100fps.

Now way back in the 70's when I did a whole lot more shooting, I used the Sierra Boat Tail in a 190 grain bullet, for long range shooting and the Hornady 190 grain bullet as well. This bullet has a BC of .610 giving it excellent ability to push a bullet down range with less loss of power or trajectory.

[bigbrother]

I don't want to step on anyone's toes here, but you don't need a 300 win mag to kill big game animals at long range. I'm a fellow 6.5 shooter and the proof's in the pudding! I like them nasty exits, it makes them a lot easier to find. This one was taken at 742 yards (ranged with a WILDE optical rangefinder) on the first shot with a 6.5x284 pushing a 140gAMAX.

[IchWarrior]

I could go for a 6.5x284...

Why I got a .300, I dont know

[Evan03]

yeah your all right im kinda stuck on the little 277 slugs but the 2506 has been bringing me smaller yet

i like the wsm case for no reason other than its kinda difrent and cool to me, id love to and will build smaller caliber wsm one of these days more then likly pushn the 257 bullet.

i could stray and end up with 6.5wsm if i keep hearing so much of this good talk of the cal.

but for now i have my 270wsm and 300win to keep me happy at longer ranges and will do everything i want them to do

when, if i get tired of the 277wsm ill screw on difrent barrel pushn a smaller slug from the wsm case.

[royinidaho]

Yo Evan03,

Ya otta quit messini' around with those pecker wood calibers.

The Ruger #1 in 375 H&H just got here today. Bunches of brass and some 300gr solids. Bring on da chucks. I''ll be lookin for some thick skined varmints pretty quick.

She sure is sweet. Too bad I'm skeer'd to shoot the dad burn thing.

Didja do anything with that drop chart software?

[Evan03]

375 scares me. i wont shoot 338s even if given the opurtunity. i cant start flinchn now.

i never got the drop chart. the attached file in the mail didnt work. i thought i sent you email telling you that. hmmmmmm. i rarely check my email.

im ready for the chucks to.

[Hi Ball]

HOW IN THE HOLY HELL DID WE GET UP ON THE .375H&H???


I didn't know that Dinosaurs still existed in Idaho!

I have a .375 Weatherby and that rifle stays in the vault nowdays, I gave it to my son and he is going to pick it up later.

I would rather just pick up my .416 and be done with that game of jacks!!!

Now getting back to the LONG & LONGER range shooting, I believe that that 300 Win mag is a great caliber for this type of shooting but sitting down at the bench with a caliber like the 6.5/.284-Norma is much more fun and that goes for the 6.5/06 as well. They are just a barrel of fun and will knock down big game just as dead as the bigger bores.

[Evan03]

bigbrother

i saw mention of long range big game in an earlier reply, but no example. for some reason ive re read this entirre thread start to finish. lots of good info.

i was reading along and got to your pic, im like hmmmm thats just a deer. not that thats not bigame or anything. not to say it wouldnt do very well on long range elk and bear. pretty sure ive heard you talk of shooting long range bear to. you can place your shot with the best of them out farther than i can see.

but in in my opion as hibal said in his reply how he felt the 300m calibers are some of the best all around big game long range bullet flingers out there. for my benifit well keep game in the 550 and less area and up to the size of moose. with this criteria there isnt anything a well placed shot couldnt do.

but on the other hand i wouldnt mind 6.5/284 that would be one heck of hunting rig. and what i like for deer size and smaller game

Evan


this is kinda where i stray off topick and talk about my dad and this and that and begin to bounce back and forth

i deer hunt alot with my 2506. ive also packed it while haveing a elk tag in my wallet. times like this i get a little leary. and realize i out to be packing something that can do it all (better) when elk and bigger game are possible.

awhile back i got a 300win in ruger M77 just for that purpose, mainly elk. rifle shoots pretty good with factory ammo and a 3-9 leo on top. but you know pretty good is most of the time good enough for most purposes. but i need to get better with it and id like to load up some shells. might try some higher power glass to.

theres a 6-18x40 vxII with target knobs and a sunshade at the local dealer i dont care for knobs the sunshade comes in handy sometimes. what i realy like is the target dot cross hair. it seems to be what i like the best. but i havent put milldots out of my mind. ive almost sent the 3-9 off a few times to premior reticle to do the dot instal.

alot of the elk ive seen taken by my dad have been at 300yds some less some more ive been with him with almost every elk hes killed. in the last 15years. and thats one a year. off hand i can think of twice he didnt fill his tag. rifle he uses is a rem 700 3006.

he isnt gadget guy he has no use for range finder. hes got a 3-9 leo only(couldnt stand what he had) because i bought if for him. we havent ever had to track an animal of his very far. i can think of a few times where we went a few hundred yards to find a dead dear or elk.

at times i almost feel bad about even haveing a 300win(kindda going against the grain). he knows he doesnt need a mag to kill, i know i dont either. i took alot of pride in takeing my first bull elk with my 270win he gave me.

the 300win is versatile and wanted not needed. ive got rifles that will do what it will but not with anywhere near as much punch ounce we start getn into elk terriotory.


so im off to punch some paper with the 300 now that im in the mood

[royinidaho]

I'll chew the fat with ya for a bit.

Whatcha watering w/a Pete?

Its a heck of a thing when a rest that expensive rocks and rolls and can be replaced for about 50 bucks.

You did the right thing to hold off on the shot for 2 reasons. 1) No sense in training the yote and 2) the 25 probably would have the umph to reach the north end from the south end.

I shot a moose with a 270, 130 gr Sierra @ about 60 yds broad side. Perfect heart shot. Moose was standing @ a bad angle then took 2 steps and gave me a nice broadside exposure. Saw the bullet hit going in and saw dust on the side hill showing that it penetrated all the way through.

The moose didn't miss a stride. He just kept walking. Walked up hill 40 yds or so and just stood there for a long time.

He stood there long enough for me to get my rope from the saddle and get ready to put a loop around his bull winkle horns and tie him to a quakie.

He finally fell, rolled down to where I first hit him then got back up. I put another round through both shoulders @ the joint. Went through both shoulder blades about 2" behind the joint. That put him down. By the time I got there with my rope he was a gonner.

For elk I've moved up to a 375 H&H Ruger #1. I actually moved up to a Rem 700 in 338 Win but this 375 is so much nicer to shoot that it's become my number 1 weapon.

I'm giving my 270 kinda custom to my son and I'll get a super longrange 270 cal w/30" bbl for deer. I have something all picked out, Its more or less a 300 RUM necked down to .277. Pushes the 130/140 gr bullets @ like 3700 and the 170 at 3400. Should be good for closer to 1000 but I'm thinking 7/750 or whatever shot presents itself.

The 270 win w/the 140 gr bullet is maxed out @ maybe 750. Its a pure Right handed rifle and I've become a left hander so rather than restock it I'll just give it to my boy.

That way he won't have to wait till I kick the bucket to get it and I can see him do some things with its.

See ya

[bigbrother]

Evan, I haven't had the opportunity to shoot an elk with the 6.5 yet. Someday I will. My gunsmith has personally taken elk to 2200 yds with a .338-375 R&R and one at 1450 with a 6.5 Gibbs. Now, I'm within 150fps of what he was shooting the gibbs at so I have no fear in shooting an elk to my effective range with the gun. I know a 140g bullet through the lungs will do the job.

That being said, there is a noticable difference in impact energy when shooting Olspark's 300Tomahawk.

[Evan03]

bigbrother.

i thought for sure you were gona say the some kinda 50 call at 2200. my eyes grew as i kept reading. i cant imagine shooting at 1000yds.

what kinda set is on the 338-375 R&R ? what glass and rifle. also do you know the specs on it.

i wasnt by any means putn down the 6.5 cals. they are truly good calibers. and will take elk size game just as well as the 270 . id defeinalty someday like to have one, but i dont think its gona be in a wildcat case. well errrr the 6.5/06 would tickly my fancy.

i reload but i dont like the process of reloading, so i rarely do it. ill bang out a pile of ammo shoot it all up then start buying factory ammo that shoots just as good.

thats kinda why im afraid to have wildcat caliber


Evan

[bigbrother]

The 338-375R&R is a wildcat based on the .375 H&H case blown out and necked down...it would be similar to a 338 STW if you will. Ray Romain (gunsmith) developed it for 1000yd bench rest shooting. I believe his gun wears a 34" barrel and he shoots an old Baush & Lomb 24 or 36x target scope on it. Total gun weight is right around 60lbs! They hunt every year in Colorado and take Elk from 600 yds out with a variety of guns. He was shooting a 250g SMK out of it.

More amazing is the fact that he shot a mule deer two years ago with the same gun at over 1800 yds (aka 1 mile)! They rented horses and it took them 4 hours to get to it.

Oddly enough he now shoots a 6.5x284 at the bench. The high b.c. 6.5 bullets are hard to beat unless your shooting a 240g 30cal or a 300g 338cal Match King. At the same velocity, with the same bc, they will have the same drift and trajectory. Of course with the bigger bullets you do have more energy. (the mule deer Ray shot, dropped in it's tracks due to a shoulder shot...at a mile!) The 6.5 is a lot of fun to shoot because it's super accurate. If you want some real horsepower in a 6.5, look to the 6.5x300 Weatherby. A lot of guys still use it for long range hunting because they can drive the bullets to their integrity limit. It's not seen too much in benchrest use any more because it give somewhat irratic results due to the big case and amount of temp. sensitive powder you have in it.

My next gun will probably be a 338-300Tomahawk so I can shoot those nasty 300g Match Kings. I'm really wanting a heavy gun but truth is, my 6.5 will reach anything I can find out here in Pennsylvania.

[royinidaho]

Hi Guys,

The smith that put the last bbl on my 270 shoots nothing but the 6.5-06 w/120 gr bullets of some brand. Has taken plenty of elk at many distances though not long by ya'lls stds. Last cow taken was @ 420.

He took it to africa for a plains hunt. Don't know the particulars but he was satisfied w/performance.

Looks like my next rifle w/be a 270-300RUMw/30" bbl/brake etc. Should end up weighing about 9+ lbs. 170gr bullet @ 3400. 140 gr bullet @ 3700. Will use the 375 for elk and the 270 LR for mulies way out there.....