might be kickn the 270wsm as my lang range rifle

Evan03 · #1 12-18-2004, 03:48 PM

today i grabbed a tang safety ruger chamberd in 300win. walnut blued combo with the standerd 24" mag taper barrel that all the magnums except for the wsm calibers have.

i think i may mount 6-18 leo and see what see can do at 100yds before i make any conclusions. on makeing this my 550yd rig over the 270wsm. i say 550 cause thats just over 500yds and farther than i realy want to shoot.

ill be loading for this along with shooting factory ammo to get brash. all depnds on how it shoots factorys.

im realy hopeing this rifle shoots as good as the the 300win rifles i shot this summer.

Evan

Evan03 · #2 12-20-2004, 12:07 AM

ive made some decisions.

scope will be 6-18 leo with this reticle. set up to my load.
http://www.premierreticles.com/index...ge=1869&main=1

first thing i need to do is load some ammo, toss 3-9 on it and find a honey load.

what powders and bullets would you guys recomend i start with. i was thinkin nolser balistic tips. theyve donw me nothin but good in my other rifles.

id like to try bullets in ranges from 165-180 possibly 200. ill work mostly wih the 165-180s unless i should go to the 200 or heavier for higher BC if you guys sujest so. im think 180 will do me plenty good on the game i hunt.

the dots are set up to go out to 600yds, i could probly have them and hash marks between dots. for say the 350yds shots n so on.

im takeing the easy way out here. i dontr think i realy want to mess with gen 2 milldot unless they place the dots to my rifles trajectory curve.

im fairly excited to get into this longer range shooting. and working with the 300win should prove to be my best bet. it should out do the 277cal in the wind past 400. if i ever have to take shot that far. though i dont plan to be pushn projectiles at deer or with the wind blowing. im just not good enough to even begin to try and dope the wind..

anyways thats where im at. a difrent rifle now with the same idea in mind.

Roy is your 338 a ruger.???

thanks in advance for any replies

Evan

royinidaho · #3 12-20-2004, 08:44 AM

As for powder something with an RL at the front of it. Having good luck with any of the RLs with any bullet in any of my calibers. However, it is quite temperature sensitive. Summer to winter is a loss of better than 100 fps in anything I shoot.

How about something like those 2-dollar lost river 165s at 3200 or so. That'll getcha serious real quick.

Same as shooting the 338 except recoil not $ is the limiting factor. I'm down to 1 shot groups with it.

BTW itsa Rem 700

Evan03 · #4 12-20-2004, 01:28 PM

i was thinkn 165s -168s in the 3200 ballpark but i didnt know wether 180s would be better for longer ranges. the ranges im planning to shoot the 165s should work great.

i did search last night getn info in 30cal bullets. the bullets with the highest BC ive found are the barnes. hornady 168 Amax has 495 BC think some of the barns bullets went into 550

the 180 triple shocks is at .552, the 168 .476.

nosler bullets seemed to be lacking in the BC department. exspecialy the partitions.

i think weve talked about those lost rivers before. i doubt ill br shooting any of those. i guess i dont need to be that serious. that cavity is kinda cool lookin though. i think we were talkn 277 bullets then.

what does this mean, this bullet has BC numbers all over the place.

Bullet Name Diameter
inches Weight
grains Sectional
Density Ballistic
Coefficients
.308 dia. 168 gr. HPBT MatchKing .308 168 .253 .462 @ 2600 fps and above
.447 between 2600 and 2100 fps
.424 between 2100 and 1600 fps
.405 @ 1600 fps and below

royinidaho · #5 12-21-2004, 03:32 AM

Evano3,

The different number just show the different level of effect of air on the bullet at different velocity ranges.

I always pick the highest BC to use cause it makes me feel better and looks better when a computer code is run on it.

But then I go to the bench and shoot at 100, 200, 300, 400, 500. and now 650 yds and make an "real" drop chart. Then I don't care what the "actual" BC is.

Soon, a couple of months, I'll be out to 700 yds or so. Figure that's as far as I can expect to hit a paper target.

However, I do expect to get a 600 yd + yote this winter.LOL...

The ol' 270 is turning out to be a "practice gun" for when I get the serious LR rifle. [28 3/4" #7 or 8 Lilja in a tight chambered 338 RUM or 338-300 RUM don't know which quite yet)

BTW, a bunch of yotes are howling about 400 yds behind the house as I write this (0130 hrs) Gotta get me a night scope.

royinidaho · #6 12-21-2004, 04:32 AM

Evan03,

Another oh by the way,

Same bunch of yotes howling @ 80 yds behind the house. Its now 0229 hrs.

Time for a nap.

Just tho't ya otta know.

We gonna do some serious yote thumpin' after xmas, yea!

bigbrother · #7 12-21-2004, 07:59 AM

If you're planning on shooting the 300 to about 500 yds or so, the really heavy, high b.c. bullets aren't going to add that much to your shooting other than recoil. Things don't really get interesting until you pass the 600 yd mark. Then things start to get funny. You might want to look at the 190g SMK though. I've never shot any, but my gunsmith shoots them out of his .30gibbs at Williamsport in 1000yd benchrest comps. That might be the best combination of b.c. and weight for that case. My other choice would be the 178 AMAX. Like I said, don't worry too much about the b.c. for under 500 yds. Just shoot the one that you barrel likes the best. It's all about bullet placement, not bullet type.

FYI, my experience with the barnes bullets out of 2 different guns was that it took a lot of fidgeting to get them to shoot. I never did get them to shoot good enough for what I would call a long range bullet.

I don't think your going wrong with the premier reticle. Again, I've never used one, but everyone that has one absolutely loves it. The 6 to 18 will work plenty well to 500yds. I shoot a fixed 20x on my long range gun and have had no problems. The benefit you will have will be target aquisition on lower power then you can "zoom" in to 18 for the shot.

One other thought. You might want a brake on your gun if you want to see bullet impact. The recoil of the 300 will definately not allow you to see your hits without one. Either that or talk someone into tagging along.

Evan03 · #8 12-22-2004, 07:35 PM

im a big hater of brakes of any kind shape or form, will not ever use or try one.

if i cant shoot it i cant shoot and will drop the caliber like a bad habit.

sorry bout the getn alittle testy when you threw out there that a brake might help with seeing the impacts.

ive just never been fan and dont care to be, i may be misn out in the long range world without one while shootin a decent kickers.

the 168amax had the same bs as the 175 whatever it is, ill check just to make sure. ill try a slew of bullets in the 165-180.

the reason i want to try the barnes tripple shock is because of the high BC and they shoot very well behind a sizln hot load in my 25.06 maybe the 300 would be the same. the first bullets i try will be the 168 amax. because it just may be where i stay if acuracy is there. then second will be the tripple shock due to the fast that i need(want) a tough bullet for elk and larger sized game. i may end up pushn nsler BTs aswell. they havent done me wrong so far.

my being lazy about the milldot thing isnt saveing me cany money by going with the premier reticle range compesateing reticle. the reticle will cost 255 to be installed in my scope. thats puts the price of the 6-18 loe at dang near 800. if i could talk myself into running a normal milldot i could get into a better scope for that amount of cash. i realy dont want to mess with drop charts and all that.

there wouldnt be anything cooler than looking through my scope and knowing the the first dot is 300yds, 2nd dot is 400 3rd is 500 and 4th is 600. and set up to my load to boot. but would just save me frustration. id be out there proveing the dots right or wrong on paper at those ranges.

so is 255 bucks worth it to save me some frustration. i think so, i may even get alittle piece of mind outa the deal to.

thanks guys for your replys

i realy enjoy hearing what everyones got to say

Evan

Evan03 · #9 03-12-2005, 02:09 PM

been shootin the wsm alittle bit lately, went out and did some jack rabbit plinkn, i was shootin my 25 and a budy was shootin the wsm, i tagged a couple rabbits at 300yds, he missed a few.

i go let me see that thing and blasted one with the wsm, he must have been holding high. told him to hold dead on then he hit a FEW AND MISSED A FEW.

my reloads are about gone now so im gona have to rework some loadds and find where i left my powder, heck i dont even know where my dies are.

i wanna try some mag pro and retumbo powder and see what i can do with the 140 nolser bt. maybe push it like its 130gr pill, but from what i found with my last powder acuracy comes at just lower then a maxed out case.

Hi Ball · #10 03-15-2005, 09:36 PM

Evan03, try jerking off that barrel and add a 6.5 (.264 cal) to the action and watch how that rifle responds to those long range shots past 600 yards. I think you will be impressed with the results!

The B.C. & S. D. are outstanding for the caliber!!!

Evan03 · #11 03-16-2005, 12:17 AM

im very much into anything 25 cal. 6.5 is close.

ive got every intention of building a 25wsm one of these days.

but i could be talked into the 6.5wsm pretty easy i think.

you shooting any of the wsm or saum cals.

i cant stand wins wssm calibers.

thanks for the info

im off to do some reading now, and its not like i havent allready done alot of reading on both the 25 and 6.5wsm

thanks
Evan

royinidaho · #12 03-16-2005, 07:03 PM

The column headings don't line up worth a squat. Copied directly from a spread sheet.

Itsa drop chart for the Nosler Ballistic Tip @ 3200 (My varmint/small thin skinned deer load). For large thin skinned deer and elk I move up to the Hornady 140 SPBT.

There are two charts in one. one for 10X and one for 18X. I had a 6.5X20 on it. For the Super Sniper I use just the 10X. The W means wind and is for a 90 degree cross wind @ 10 mph.

Put an 1 gal milk jug at 644 yds and put it exactly centered between the 2nd and 3rd mil dots and hold into the wind just the right amound and you put a hole in it. Sweet. Headed for 700 yds as soon as the weather agrees.

130 Nos BT
Range 10Xmil 18XMIL 10XW 18XW
200 0.3 0.5 0.3 0.5
225 0.2 0.3 0.3 0.6
250 0.1 0.1 0.4 0.6
275 -0.1 -0.1 0.4 0.7
300 -0.2 -0.4 0.4 0.8
325 -0.3 -0.6 0.5 0.8
350 -0.5 -0.9 0.5 0.9
375 -0.6 -1.1 0.6 1.0
400 -0.8 -1.4 0.6 1.0
425 -1.0 -1.6 0.7 1.1
450 -1.1 -1.9 0.7 1.2
475 -1.3 -2.2 0.7 1.3
500 -1.5 -2.5 0.8 1.4
525 -1.6 -2.8 0.8 1.4
550 -1.8 -3.1 0.9 1.5
575 -2.0 -3.4 0.9 1.6
600 -2.2 -3.8 1.0 1.7
625 -2.4 -4.1 1.0 1.8
650 -2.6 -4.5 1.1 1.9
675 -2.8 -4.8 0.7 1.2
700 -3.0 -5.2 1.2 2.0

Just looked at this. It looks for squat. Format is all wrong. But if you glare at it cross-eyed it'll pop out at you

There is only 1 decimal place. When I get my new rifle I guess I'll have to go out to 2 maybe 3 decimal places

Evan03 · #13 03-16-2005, 07:33 PM

holy batman,

i wonder how far off your spred sheet is from 277 140gr bullets

lookin at it hasnt made any since yet, ill look at it alittle more cross eyed.

Evan03 · #14 03-16-2005, 07:34 PM

you have any pics of your 270 with the sniper on it?

royinidaho · #15 03-17-2005, 06:37 PM

The 140s are going at just about the same velocity thus are just a little flatter as range gets longer.

The 140s shoot better also. All of my groups in the 1s are with the 140s. The 130s hang around the 4s & 5s and with group size growing out to 500 to 3 and 4" cause I can't read the Dam* WIND!. That is my groups increase in horizonal spread as distance increases. Darn I hate that!

I shoot the 130s as they are a bit more apt to come apart thus not slinging lead all over the place. Plus the recoil is just a bit lighter with the 130s.

The 140s hold together real well and are good up to deer. The biggest thing I intend to shoot with the 130s are canine type animals and maybe a deer if the shot presents itself. Other wise its the 140s for yote on up.

I'll take a pic one of these days and post it. As far as looks go the SS "looks" better than the Cabela's 6.5X20. Plus the ss has the knobs that are exposed and the mirage shade which is a real plus.