World War III

[Lilred]

Ya'll probaly wont like what I gotta say...but this here is just a good ole honest opinion..I truly think..that iffin a huge army invaded this soil...the good ole average joe would run like a scalded dog downhill.
Well..let me rephrase that. not the "average" joe...but the new breed of man that has seemed to come about the past 10 years.
Most of em nowadays got the conviction of a old blue tick hound on a front porch.
However..I can safely say that fer every fool out there like that, there will be some to take his place on the line.
It wouldnt be that easy to bring..say fer example..50,000 men over here and drop em outta the sky. Nope..iffin they wanted rid of us..all it takes is a nuke. Say...3 nukes. Wham, bam thank you ma'am kind of thing.
I caint say that I fear a WWIII. The odds are slim. And, like I said, wouldnt be a war iffin all the opponents are all dead, melted er whatever. I fear the self-destruction of the country. "The land of the free" is a great thing back when people had morals. Now, that phrase is the land of the "marry-whatever-you-want, dump-yer-kids-in-a-trunk, killin-cheatin-lyin, watch-it-all-on-tv-and-learn-how-to-be-a-successful-sexual-predator" kinda free. Free to do whatever the hell you want.
I dont think that's what it was intended fer. Aww well, I aint gonna go on and on..but, in short, I fear US more than I fear THEM.

[AZZAFOX]

For a citizen of the U.S to say they fear there own country is refreshing. The general consensus down under is that most city based and semi rural Aussies fear the US and the possibility of a madman at at the helm. Plus quite a few people are weary of GW bush due to he front he puts on. It scares people to think "someone so dumb and outta touch" is running the worlds only super power. Another thing people are saying is how hypercritcal America is, especially on human rights issues.

I personally lost all respect for the US army when I trained against them. The white trash elements I saw worried me. Fatigues cant hide scum, nor can they cover up an all conquering attitude. Only saying what I saw.

I know for a fact there are still some good people on your soil, but Lil red your right, some elements are ruining your country. Unfortunately some of those attitudes are being exported. ipoint the finger at Rap(so called music) bringing about the demise of my countries teens vocabulary. The americaniseation of Aussie
English is leading o a decline in our unique slang terms that used be a distinct part of culture. The day G'day is replaced by "Whats up dog" or "Bro" is a sad and some what disheartening consequence of young people loseing the one thing that counts, there cultural Identity. Thats my rant

Get a dog up ya and have drink on me mates.

AZZA your upside down cyber buddy.

[myEspringr]

Kerry don't even get me started on that friggin' backpeddlin' two faced suckbag.

i'm withya lilred on a lotta things have changed. land of the free, well whats' free? freedom of speech is about gone.
another thing that ticks me off is celebrities that get away with crimes, just cause they can afford a high priced attorney.
it's all crap, the misses and i have a baby on the way and a 6 and 8 yr old and every once in awhile i have to ask muself why am bringin' kids into world. i almost feel bad cause by the time they are my age there prob. won't be much of anything left.
iam amazed @ how our troops have held their ground over in iraq considering how out numbered they are. i support them i just don't support why they are there. yeah and another couple years i see theD.R.A.F.T comin' back, what choice will there be? the forces talk about how much recruitment is down.

[Lilred]

I dont think Bush is necessarily dumb..I just truly think the media likes to pick on him cause he's Southern. Which Azza, bein Southern is a "culture" of the US. We aint like Northerners.
Bush does have morals tho..we caint blame the President but so much fer the way things are here.
He is just but 1 man vs. millions of people. It's the decline of a "person" as a whole, imho, that ruins this nation.
Another thing is our media. My hubby and me were talkin the other night bout the state of this ole werld. Bout how every night you hear of babies raped, killed ,people tortured, so forth & so on. It was makin me just plum distraught..and my hubby brought up a point. He says, that 20 yrs ago people still did that kinda thing, but you never heared tell bout it. The news wouldnt report such blasphemous things. That there is good argument. Was it really that way or was people generally morally better 20 yrs ago? I think the latter, he says its cause on counta the news aint report such things.
But, fer arguements sake, let's say he's right. It dern sure aint hurt me none not knowin, and I truly think it made me better fer it. How do you say?? Because it was considered the god-awfulest thing..like gay marriages. It just aint allowed, no way, no how. Period.
Now that all that has the spotlight, you got gay marriages and you got the morals of the US goin straight to hell in a handbasket. "cause if everybody else is doin it, we should be able to do it..it's a free country, right?"

However, I caint say that we have to run a country based on a "belief or moral". That is impossible and would take away the Constitional rghts that good ole Thomas Jefferson gave us. But then again, I dont think gay marriages was on his mind at the time either.
We are called the melting pot..we got Japenese, Russian, European, Mexican, African, Asian...all kinds of people over here. All w/ their own cultures.
Where in God's name is OUR culture???
Is the hard-headed Southerner the only form of American culture there is left? (My version of culture meanin: a group of people who commonly have the same beliefs, morals ..so forth & so on)

Maybe I shouldnt be sayin anythin..all this is comin from a girl who was raised up in the late 70's/early 80's..but was livin in the 1800's so to speak. We still strung baccer up to smoke by hand, still said grace, and was brought up by a strict Southern parents.
I aint very open-minded at all..lol
I know 1 dern thing...my kids'll still be raised sayin yessir & yes ma'am, we'll still be playin blugrass much to the dismay of 90% of the general population, and we'll still think grits is best served w/ buttermilk.

[Andy L]

Amen.

If more people thought like that, Lilred, and thought less about what is politically correct and how not to hurt the feelings of the freaks, yeah, theres freaks in the world, always have been and always will be, we would still be a better and stronger country.


Andy

[Valigator]

Lilred, just a brief comment on the gay marriage thing....I guess there is alot of money behind that movement....since most dont have to pay for a college education for their kids, no wonder, but down here...they throw this stuff in your face on a daily basis until its almost like they are "conditioning" you to accept it, until its so common place you'll just learn to live with....do you know what I mean? I have the second largest Gay community in the United States right about 4 miles from me....and being a southern girl you know I am starting to feel like I am the outsider...BS on that crap.....I let it be known....I dont do business with queens...I dont like them, the hair on the back of my neck stands up when I am around them.....I dont think I'll ever get use to that....hey its a malfunction in the gene pool....and in the end...it will be their own worst enemy...at least we dont have to worry about them breeding into infinity....thank God for small favors...

[myEspringr]

well it doesn't get much closer to home about this gay marriage than my sister is actualy having a ceromony this year. it won't be legal but i guess it's as close as it get's since it's illegal in this state. i'm not for gay marriage but i do love my sister, a few months ago she went to visit our mother and well she told her to leave when she broke the news.i still think they aren't talkin'. i knew she was gay for awhile but she would not admit it till a couple years ago. i have always been disgusted by gays , i feel like hypocrit when it comes to my sister though. i guess that since she is blood and it's a woman now if one of my brothers came back and say they were gay it would prob. be diff. and def. harder to accept. i'm not religiose but it does state in the bible that basicly bein' gay is wrong.
as far as bush well we are better off with him in office instead of kerry, i just don't like this whole issue of the troops. they are still tryin' to find three that were lost in affganistan. we are losing more and more of them.

[captain2k_ca]

I don't want the world to go to war.

I am not in the military.

But I stand ready to don uniform and rifle in the defense of my Nations defence, and the defence of the defenseless. If my Country gives the call, I am ready to give to them the ultimate sacrifice.

[Valigator]

Sorry you have those family issues....things can be hurtful and people dont always become what our ideal of them should be...just remember in the end ...no matter what society thinks of any particular group or what their moral or religious feelings are...family is family and in the end that is all that matters....we are here if you need to talk.....and dont take the gay thing too personal ...she is your sister not someone from a different planet...she probably needs your shoulder more than ever...and she probably will for a long time......

PS two of those troops down in the chopper are from here...remember why they are there....and when you get bummed out about this or your support starts to waiver...replay the twin towers going down, remember the whole in the earth in Penn. from that plane...think of the suffering of the persons in the Pentagon.....and as long as our guys are there and some are still coming home in body bags...just say a prayer and show your gratitude to them by supporting their efforts....

[Andy L]

I think if we got invaded, I would be alot like Skinny. I got enough ammo loaded for enough rifles to play hell with some folks at long range for a while.

These ole river hills just south of my house are pretty rugged and I know of several caves to hole the family up in and it would be hard to get to us on foot without getting shot. We find alot of indian relics in there. I think they had the same idea.

Andy

[Hawkeye6]

Originally posted by Valigator

PS two of those troops down in the chopper are from here...remember why they are there....and when you get bummed out about this or your support starts to waiver...replay the twin towers going down, remember the whole in the earth in Penn. from that plane...think of the suffering of the persons in the Pentagon.....

Val, I'm glad you said that. Its easy to see youhave not foregotten.

Notice that the news media doesn't talk much about that any more. Guess it might "inflame" us or something if they reminded us of what really stimulated us out of our lethargy. Its a lot more fun to wail about quagmires and pretend how stupid the President is. (Of course, none of them focus on just where his degress came from and the fact that a "C" average from an early '60s Ivy League school actually meant something -- not like A's and B's form today's grade-inflated schools of "journalism". I can't believe how many idiots out there fall for the media's schtick on that one!)

I'd really like to see somebody put together a montage of stills from September 11, USS Cole, the Embassies, etc. with the country song "Have you foregotten?" running in the background.

Hawkeye

[Andy L]

I sure havent forgotten either. I do seem to be in the minority now days though. I know exactly why we are in both places and doing what needs to be done. I dont like seeing our boys go down anymore than anyone, but thats part of war.

It makes me sick to think about the planes hitting those towers. The other attacks do as well, but that was, for lack of a better term, the pinnacle. Then, there were people marching the streets, shaking fists in the air wanting every terrorist in the world killed. Couldnt wait to get our troops over to the middle east to kick some tail. Now its sickening how alot of those same people are crawfishing and cursing our president for getting us into this war. Guess it wasnt a sanitary, tv war that fit their tastes just right. These terrorists have to be rooted out like the rats they are and killed. And tragic as it is, we are going to lose a few lives in the process. Compare the time we have been at war with any other war we have been in before and compare the American casualty numbers. Ones too many, but its very low and we are fighting one of the hardest fights ever.

And, before anyone steps up, I dont care what reason was used, Iraq had nothing to do with oil. There are many reasons for going in there as well as after bin Laden. It was, and still is, the right thing to do. Lets see, genocide, torture, oil for food, chemical weapons (yes they were there, too many signs of it), harboring terrorists, funding terrorists, the list goes on. He had to come down. And he did.

I havent forgotten either Val and Hawkeye.....

Andy

[myEspringr]

My apologies to everyone about the subject os missing soldiers, i understand the reasons over in affganistan, but iraq is my issue, i was venting and was not thinkin' about which troops were MIA that was pretty dumb of me. now bush need s to get these two issues resolved before we send anyone to another country.

[Valigator]

Thats where your wrong...we dont have to resolve any issues anywhere before we commit to anyplace....thats what America is about...our country goes in where its needed when its needed...somebody smell anything in Iraq? I do....North Korea? I do....The world isnt gonna wait for nice and tidy endings to engage in conflicts...heck you might see us anyplace at anytime, thats why a coalition of countries who share the same hopes and ideals are so important.....
The next time someone brings up the Weapons of Mass Destruction Argument.....which in my gut I know are there, show them a picture of a plane going into a building...I would say thats destruction on a massive scale...when we still cant find over 2000 bodies....on our own soil...

[Valigator]

You know I wasnt goin to bring this up...but this just happened last week in my office....a patient came in I recogonized from a few years ago...older man and a thick German accent....then it hit me...I remember him saying he had been in the German Army WW11....I seated him...Doctor came in..we did our prelims on the guy...and we have TV's in every operatory...this man started beating Bush to death on some issue that came up on CNN...As I was doing my thing and listening ....I snapped...I flipped around and out of my mouth came stuff I had no control over....I still dont recall all of it....I do know it started with " You better remember, you as an immigrant, and a German soldier no less, should get down on the ground and Thank God your in this country" my doctors eyes got as wide as dinner plates. I kept going, "Just remember you are in the most powerful country in the world" and there is a damn good reason for it"...Nobody said nothing for a while, we finished our procedure...all the while I am thinking Valerie, my God talking to a patient like that...I was wondering what my doctor was gonna say afterwards....well, he never said anything....he and I are on the same page about most everything..dont know why I brought this up...but sometimes you have to take a stand...