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| Drawing my gun was enough deterrence to stop the threat. |
   
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24 | 24.24% |
| I discharged my gun to protect myself. |
  
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5 | 5.05% |
| I discharged my gun to protect another. |
  
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1 | 1.01% |
| I used my gun to protect myself and another. |
  
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5 | 5.05% |
| I used my gun to assist LE. |
  
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3 | 3.03% |
| I discharged my gun to protect myself from an animal attack. |
  
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10 | 10.10% |
| A family member used my gun to protect themselves/myself. |
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3 | 3.03% |
| Nope. Nada. Never needed one. |
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48 | 48.48% |
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#31
12-19-2005, 05:19 AM
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lies
how can you compare oj? he never even testified. the lawyers did all the talking.i do not believe for one minute that a judge said the officer was right just because he had a badge.lets not exaggerate our points.just the mere visibility of the gun will not cause you to lose your license.if you show it purposely without cause is what gets you in trouble.the mere act of scaring a guy with a gun can get you in trouble. he can say you showed the gun in a menacing way.this will get you arrested. never show the gun unless you have to use it.there are very few times when you can just use it to scare some away.be very careful because they can file on you.remember you are always taught that just the appearance of a firarm can escalate the situation.this again will get you in trouble
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12-19-2005, 05:37 PM
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Papi ..as I sit in this chair..it is word for word from the judges mouth and I also couldn't believe it.....I have an uncle that has been everything from patrolman to captain to judge and he even teaches criminal law in our local college and he couldn't believe it either...he wanted me to take the judge and officer to a higher court for action but....I guess adding up atty fees, more lost days wages etc etc....let it go.....but it does bother me that they get away with that kind of thing. Fellow worker/friend and his brother got run down on a sidewalk when people in a jeep had words with them. Friend pulled his cc and shot the radiator out of the jeep..is how the officers found them..They were not charged..but the guy that shot the gun off in the city limits lost his cc for a few yrs for shooting it in the city...I posted that before somewhere here and also posted how friend from irac saved his motorcycle from getting loaded in back of a truck and when he slug the guy and stomped on his hands, he got the brunt of it all from using excessive force, big fines..thief/ nothing...I have been pulled over and ticketed in my 18 wheeler for speeding..went to hearing on that one and they came out and said if you can prove you weren't speeding, rip the ticket and go home...???...da...why get it in first place...and I obey the laws...even when I use to drive for a living..been pulled over a few miles down the road from a school zone by an officer comming the other way. He said I was speeding in school zone I just passed..I said was not. He said I needed my CDL to work..I said yes sir and is exactly why I wasn't speeding..But I won that one...all this happened around Pittsburgh area and the towns just south and west of it..another officer wrote me up for going 35mph in a 35mgh zone because it says trucks 25..I wasn't going 20 and even stopped at the redlight where he came up behind me not one block from where he wasn't even in his car..was gabbing outside to someone..said I can't prove you were speeding but say you were..did no radar, no vascar, didn't follow me the required 3/10 of mile to clock speed..just said in court I was speeding.that judge asked after I pointed these items out...the officer if looked like speeding..said yes..judge said good enough officer..I said law applies to trucks over 26000 lb..and weigh tickets or scale never used..asked officer if looked heavier than 26g...said...yes...well I was guilty there too and paid fine...and even though I myself didn't lie, I sure see now how it can work in your favor....oh well..is in past..and I won't go into the reason I did pull once but it worked and sure saved things...have a nice day papi...and a nice Christmas to you and yours....
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12-19-2005, 08:20 PM
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Re: radar
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12-19-2005, 08:41 PM
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I don't know. I got burned outside of Pittsburgh late one night around Shaler with "pacing".
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12-19-2005, 10:22 PM
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By "pacing", I'm referring to the police car following at a distance and judging your speed by maintaining an even distance.
It's not scientific either, but they can do it.
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12-19-2005, 11:09 PM
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Damn.....I hope this one gets in.
Yes............Lycanthrope pacing means exactly that. I see way too many stories getting bantied about by my friends and neighbours. Sorry ....they are usualy in the wrong. But, like most people we try and make ourselves look less .........uhm....guilty. I have seen way too many self serving stories that I am sureif we heard the other side it would not seem so black and white.
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12-19-2005, 11:09 PM
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pacing
it is easily beaten in court.the officer can not prove how fast he was going and can not prove how fast the other car was going.they used to time you from one point to another.they quit using these outdated procedures but they will not hold water in court now
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12-20-2005, 04:22 AM
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Exactly the whole point papi.....from the start...these should not hold water in court....but here in Pittsburgh area of Pa for example, and not talking about Texas, the locals don't like certain jobs we hold such as truck driving. We are not all law breaking scruffy citizens that run arund breaking the laws and look for trouble...and these are true examples that you can see if your eyes are open the other side of the story plain as day..is no hidden well I can tell it my way but the truth of the matter is another..skyline...They even state when pulling you over for a false reason they don't want trucks in 'their' town. They told a driver who by the way was at court the same day as I for his turn in the jar (15 of the 17 there then were drivers 2 others were women and they walked) he was gulty and he had to pay an overweight fine of now get this $10,000....reduced from $12,000 to give him a break when he delivered milk to a school that was on a dead end street...one way in and one way out but the street had a 5 ton weight limit. No bridges etc to worry about. Was just the rule of the town and the ..ha...officer won. The driver lost his job too because he refused to deliver to that school ever again. I am sure there are other sides to most stories skyline, but not in these ones...plain and simple, I do not trust the courts to get me out of anything..be it wrong or trumped up charges..let alone something as important as pulling a CC...and there is a law here in pa for following you 3/10 of a mile to pace you.....Killbuck twp has a rep x all the states as the most tickes issued...anywhere....all they want is the $$$$$ ..and these judges are going along with them. I just don't trust the courts and against all my beliefs from now on if ever again will bend the rules my way. Others are free to roam as they please....Hey, I just seen santa....following a coal truck..coal is the #1 asked for gift....need for heating the home now..
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12-20-2005, 05:15 AM
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guilty
carry a small micro recorder in your pocket.you can take that into court. the law reads that as long as one of the people being recorded know that they are being recorded,it is legal.it is illegal if a third party tapes others and they do not know it.
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#43
12-20-2005, 07:57 AM
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Now a recorder is a good idea..but I retired from too many years of putting up with those kind of things...enjoying life now except when I recall all the aggravations of past days. Thats why my friends wont even mention my dispatcher to me..They end up with an ear beating..lol...Found peace of mind.
Lots of hunting and fishing going on now..ice is on the lakes.7* outside now ...if ya look in the make it yourself forum, can see my ice poles I use...already have more made because I end up giving them away..lol...blackpowder season is just around the corner and I get to take a young cousin out for his first deer. His dad passed right before he was old enough to get out...he will get to use the rifle he won at a wild game dinner I took him to..is excited about it. Shoots it well. Do you get to ice fish there in texas? Lots of tracking to get done here now too...need to find where the deer are hanging out after this past rifle season. The ones still in the woods that is. Seems they all found the no hunting signs and peoples yards..like the 10pt that has been hanging around my sisters yard since the season started. Time to run now..have to make more of the item I make that replaces the sling on a crossbow...Those slings get in the way and most around here remove it. This works great...is in demand around here as a crossbow sling replacement. Merry Christmas again...Happy New Year.
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12-20-2005, 11:41 AM
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ice fishing
we seldom get snow or cold enough for ice.i am 56 and can only remember it cold enough to freeze lakes.it was a very thin sheet of ice and only lasted a few days. weather here is strange,it can be 85 one day and 35 the second day.police work is a strange one. you can be the biggest hit while working. when you leave they never talk to you again.i like it this way.
our deer season ends on jan 1.my freezer is full so i stopped when i got one deer. a buddy in michigan also sent me a deer.my freezer is really packed.i now just wait for wild hog hunting.there is no season and can be hunted year around with no limits. i used to take kids hunting but they never wanted to go back.they had rather play video games and be with their buddies.i would pick a kid from a neighborhood i worked. most were little gangsters.most now are either dead or in prison. my main hunting passion is wild hogs.i hunt them with a crossbow.you will not believe how it feels to looke eye to eye with 300-500 pounds with teeth.you will never fall asleep on these hunts.
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04-22-2006, 12:11 PM
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I agree that carrying gives a person confidence that may help win the outcome of the situation but on the same tolken I have seen younger people (21 yr) get 10 foot tall and bulletproof with one which may lead to a very bad outcome. Of the times in which my firearm has helped and even saved my butt over the years (many times unfortunately) I have learned a few things. 1)Caliber means nothing as long as it's descent and with a repectable bullet ..2) confidence and practice with what you carry means alot.. 3) shot placement means everything . Above all BEING AWARE and able to detect a bad situation is the most important self defense while remaining calm in order to think with a clear mind in order to defuse or defend from the situation is paramount. I know that many will disagree with the caliber statement but a miss with a your 44 mag while the baddie pumps you full from a Lorcin 25 is a bad thing lol.
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