OLN Dangerous Game - Good & Bad

[fabsroman]

Sorry, I thought I put Alaska in my post, but in reading it again, I didn't. That's what happens when I post at 2:00 in the morning. To answer your question, yes it was in Alaska. The assistant guide was standing behind the hunter/client. The client was kneeling down to make the shot. The client supposedly wounded the bear and the guide gave the assistant the order to shoot the bear. Just as the assistant pulled the trigger, the client stood up and was shot in the back of the head, dying instantly.

I have never dealt with a Hold Harmless Agreement before the accident. I have seen many used in settling claims. What I haven't seen is a Hold Harmless, signed before the accident, being attacked on its vailidity. If I get some time later today, I'll do a little research on it so that I can feel better about signing the stupid thing when I go to this game farms on the Eastern Shore.

[bru]

I appreciate the content. These are all current topics in our house with squishy plans on the horizon. When we've got kids I will definately be in their grill about always being informed, always ask if you don't know, think. Kids are smarter than they try to let on. Don't let em tell you any different. Empower them to be proud of making decisions and choices when they're young and their habits will be pretty sound. I figure their never off the hook though. Always look out for younger folks because they want to know. Make sure you give them straight facts. Let them process and apply it. I grew up w/ GI Joe cartoons="Knowing is half the battle". Shoot, you know it. Being a know it all gets kids in lots of trouble. As we show by example here every day, There is always more to learn. I appreciate your discussion of these topics. I like this.

"Keep my words positive, because my words become behaviors.
Keep my behaviors positive, because my behaviors become habits.
Keep my habit positive, because my habits become my values.
Keep my values positive, because they become my destiny."

Mahatma Gandhi

[Nulle]

Guess I have seen several hunting films in Africa and thats the way they do things. Not saying I would but that is them and this is me lol

[hnter]

1. they do not do things our way.
2. the guns were unloaded.
3. they often hunt at night using light gathering optics which is usually frowned upon here. see #1.
4. their ideas and our ideas of gun handling and shooting safety are much different than ours, see #1.

[fabsroman]

Okay, I'll agree that hunting habits are different in Africa and whether they are right or wrong, only time will tell. I have seen and heard second hand about guns going off unexpectedly. First story was my brother when we were young. He was pulling the hammer back on a .410 and it slipped from under his thumb. Well, the round went off.

Another story is from where I shoot sporting clays, skeet, and trap frequently. A guy came into the clubhouse with a loaded gun and it went off, shooting a hole into the ceiling.

Last story is of a guy coming back from deer hunting. He went into the trailer, opened the bolt on his rifle to make sure that nothing was in it, closed the bolt and "dry" fired it to relieve the tension on the spring and fired a bullet through the roof of the trailer. According to him, the cartridge must have gotten stuck in the chamber and not ejected when he pulled the bolt handle back.

Accidents happen, you just hope that a bunch do not connect such that there is a Cheney incident.

How many professional hunters are there in Africa? If you guys had to guess, are there more professional hunters in Africa than hunters here. Probably not, so the odds would be in their favor to go accident free for while.

Oh well, I have to get back to work. Too much work and not enough time in the day to debate fun stuff.

[Nulle]

I would venture a guess there are plenty of pro-hunters in Africa as this is big $ for that country.
I remember as a kid seeing the pictures of OConner ect in the SportsAfield mags. and they were carrying guns over the shoulder so this sure is nothing new to that country.

[DaMadman]

Originally posted by fabsroman
8x56MS,

Here's another newsflash for you, it was on American TV, so you would think they would try to make the show appeal to its audience. I highly doubt this show has many native African viewers of it. Heck, I doubt DirectTV or OLN for that matter, is available in Africa, but I could be wrong.

Trust me, I know that things are different in different parts of the world. I have visited Europe and my parents came directly from Italy. However, that doesn't mean I have to put up with them here in the USA or endorse things I think are detrimental to the USA. If I had kids, I wouldn't want them to watch a show like that and think it is okay to point a gun at somebody. They don't sit down on the show and say, "Kids, here in Africa we do things a little different than you do in American because we carry heavy rifles around all day long. We carry them by the barrel slung over our shoulder and pointed directly at the person in front of us, BUT we make sure they are unloaded at all times until we are just about to shoot an animal." Kids pick up way too many bad habits from TV, and I wouldn't want that to be a habit that my children learn.

Fabs I agree with you that I don't like to see stuff like that on TV either. For the simple reason it gives the PUBLIC a poor image of hunters.

However I totally disagree with you about kids picking up bad habits from watching T.V. . If you teach your kids right from wrong they will do the same thing you just did. They will notice that the way the person on TV is carrying the gun is WRONG and think "why would they do that"

My son is 9 and he has come to me more than once after hearing a new clip about a kid getting shot after finding the parents gun and he was just livid about the fact that the parent did NOT teach the kids Gun Safety or have the guns locked up where children couldn't get to them. I had to listen to him (at 7 years old) rant for at least 30 minutes about something stupid one hunter did on one of those OLN shows. Don't remember right now what it was but at 7 years old he picked up on it and went off for half an hour until I finally told him, he was right and the people on TV were wrong but enough was enough. LOL

We also (son and I ) just had the conversation about Video Game "making kids do bad things" Seems that they were talking about video game ratings at school and I bought him a video game called Medal of Honor that is rated M for Mature and he didn't want to play it because he thought it was going to be too violent. I told hime that violence in video games doesn't make children violent and it doesn't make kids do bad things like shoot other people. I told him that is a damn piss poor excuse for a Bad ass kid that did something wrong and doesn't want to accept responsibility for his/her action. Nick and I have been palying Medal of honor every night since the talk and I asked him night before last if he felt like he wanted to go out and kill someone and cut them up. He gave me this wierd look and saind NO WAY Why would you say thet?? I told him because he was playing such a violent video game and I wanted to make sure it wasn't affecting him. He laughed and we continued killing Japs and Krauts for another couple hours.

[fabsroman]

Very good points. My brothers and I play those video games and we haven't gone out there and killed anybody. However, I think TV and video games help to accelerate the warped mind. Meaning, if somebody has something wrong upstairs, TV and video games helps to accelerate it.

[DaMadman]

Originally posted by fabsroman
Very good points. My brothers and I play those video games and we haven't gone out there and killed anybody. However, I think TV and video games help to accelerate the warped mind. Meaning, if somebody has something wrong upstairs, TV and video games helps to accelerate it.

Good Point.

I did however have to tell my son that when he went to school on Monday and talked to his buddies about the gam that it probably would be a good Idea to refrain from using terminology like killing Japs and Krauts....... LOL

I also however explained to him that terminology was the correct AND APPROPRIATE verbage back in the WWII Era and when talking to his Great Grandfather (who happened to be in WWII) that he could use those words without having to worry about offending anyone. Hahahaha