Gotta stop watching hunting shows

[fabsroman]

Let's hear some more about this guy. How long were you roommates with him? Did you do any hunting with him back then? If so, what was that like? This is awesome. Isn't it amazing how small the world is on the internet?

[pipedreams]

Only a few months............but the ONE place we did get along was in the woods actually............when I think back on it all........we didn't actually get to do any hunting together cause we were teenagers then............but on occasion when we were in the same frame of mind we spent HOURS talking about hunting and fishing...........and we did prolly a couple of hundred miles of back country on cross country skis and snowshoes together........(this was in Maine btw)...............

Memories are coming back..........this was dang near 40 years ago..........

Small world indeed!

[Dom]

Interesting thread, thanks for talking it over guys.

Guess I can count myself lucky on two points -- first, I don't get any over here, and two, I ain't got time !! But I did watch a friends DVD, forget who it was but he was 'famous' -- some of the shots taken I never would have taken. One the lady almost took the head of a doe off standing behind the buck she shot. She had to be within inches, guess she thought that bullet ain't gonna make it thru the first deer !! Another shot head on buck, hit top of back hind legs, but missed backbone, deer took off, and then they cut and come back on with the guy and deer. Another really iffy shot, getting pretty dark, shot taken not broadside, in fact, the film was so dark I couldn't tell the angle and was surprised he shot. But, at least they found all the animals shot, albeit, with cutting and 'reappearing'.

Sounds like I'm not missing much, thanks for reminding me, Waidmannsheil, Dom.

[M.T. Pockets]

I caught a little bit of Barta's show last night. I still don't have a handle on the guy yet.

I thought it was very, very, fake. I only watched a few minutes but apparantly he hit something and his boat was sinking. It was like it was planned. They showed them saving one of the guys, putting on their gumby suits and jumping into their life vest. He radios for help and the SOS said there were 3 souls to save. All this while the camera man was on board the sinking ship, he must not count.

Then there was a camera inside the coast guard plane sent out for them like they were waiting for the call.

Pretty fake all the way.

[Skyline]

Dom.............you are right, you aren't missing much. So many of the hunts are staged and bear little resemblance to what actually happened........then you get the ones you described, where the shots taken don't add up to the end scene with the critter in hand (you just know there was a bunch left out).

There are lots of them done in fenced hunting situations and they are careful to edit the fence out and not bother telling anyone. One of the tyros with a popular show in the US did this at a Saskatchewan hunt farm for elk, bison and whitetail, as well as bear (it was fair chase). The show did not accurately depict what happened and was deliberately misleading.

I have been guiding when a few of the better known crews were in at several lodges and camps up here in Canada. I will not have anything to do with it any more..........just give me the regular hunters thanks. I will not take any film crews on my hunts.

There are some good outdoor film crews out there, but the cost to the outfitter is outrageous and only guys with huge big game allocations can afford to do it. On average the return for the outfitter is very short lived.

[fabsroman]

MT Pockets,

I caught the tail end of that episode and was also thinking it was fake. I didn't see the beginning, so I didn't know if the boat actually sank or not, but I was thinking to myself, this guy must be making a ton of money to sink a boat to film an episode because an insurance company will not pay for something like that if it is planned, and the show was definitely planned. How else would they have video equipment in the helicopter and HC-130? Then, after the commercial break, a black screen came on with some writing. Essentially, it said that this show was a dramatization done with the help of the search and rescue squad. In the end, he gave some props to the search and rescue guys and the armed forces overall, so that gave me some goose bumps. Hell, it gives them to me now. With that said, I think the show was pretty stupid. At the end, he was talking about how he made three mistakes while getting off the boat, and that those three mistakes could have ended up getting people killed.

Here is my big point. Why not have a couple of shows where you show people what type of safety equipment is a must when you go out into the ocean, and then show them exactly how to use everyuthing if the boat goes down. Make it a month's worth of episodes, because if it saves a single person, it is well worth it.

After catching the tail end of Tred Barta, I watched a fishing show done by Guy Harvey, a marine biologist and marine wildlife artist. An executive from ATCO, the company that prints a lot of T-Shirts with Guy Harvey's art on it, was also along for the trip. They were fishing for black marlin in Panama. That show was awesome. It was an hour long and they were showing them fishing for the marlin, but they were also showing how they put electronic tags in the fish that kept track of where the fish went and then popped up at a later date so the data can be read. Guy Harvey would actually dive into the water while the marlin was being reeled in and he would swim right up along the marlin and film it with an underwater camera. Towards the end of the show, they were showing how they did transfers of fish from other boats so that they could tag the fish for scientific purposes. Essentially, they throw their line over to the other boat using a tennis ball. Their line is then hooked up to the fish's leader once the mate on the other boat gets the leader, and the fish is then transferred to their boat using 80 lb. test instead of the regular 50 lb they were fishing with. The 80 lb. test is used to get the fish in quick instead of tiring it out some more and possibly killing it.

The greatest part of the show was when another boat was hooked up with a 13 ft. black marlin that weighed about 600+ pounds. They were going to do a transfer of that fish, but they guy battling it had been battling it for 4 hours and still had a long way to go. So, they transferred the ATCO guy from their boat onto the other boat, and Harvey swam down to the marlin with the other guys line in tow. He hooked up the other line to the leader, and both anglers were fighting the fish to try and get it in as qiuck as possible (i.e., so it didn't die) and tag it. Eventually, they were successful and the initial angler actually gave up a possible world record on 50 lb test to get the tag on the fish. Later on, they actually recovered the tag and found that the fish and swum down to Columbia and back up to Panama.

Oh yeah, Harvey also dove into a reef system and the number of fish was amazing. Of course, I don't think I would have liked to be in the water with groups of white tipped sharks, hammerheads, and huge groups of barracuda swimming around me, but the filming was beautiful and the pictures he showed were amazing.

I wish he had a weekly series I could watch.

[drummer]

www.real-hunters.com

Click "Bellar trial video".
This is the worst Iv'e seen.Jimmy Houston shouldv'e stuck to fishing.

[Gotcha!]

Originally posted by fabsroman
Eventually, they were successful and the initial angler actually gave up a possible world record on 50 lb test to get the tag on the fish. [/B]

Actually the 50 Lb line class record for Black Marlin is 1124 pounds.

[skeeter@ccia.com]

I guess money talks with most hunt/fishing shows and what a way to make a living at that...I think it would be hard to please everyone but the fishing shows are lacking the 'how to' . It does get old watching someone toss a lure all day and a 200lb man leaning back huffin puffin and bring in a 2lb fish. They need more of the tec talk like how to read one of those fish finders with all the blinking lights...I still can't figure that out..I think the 'Infisherman' talks more tec than most....explain what different bottoms show up as.etc...where the sonar is looking with respect to the transducer etc.....the hunt shows are to me more of a scenic look at different places like idaho, montana, alaska.. etc..I envy those of you that open the door to your home and see all that....Pa is a beautifull place too and I still see places that just make me sit for hours to take it all in....I guess if we seen how most of the 'pro hunters' get their game we wouldn't even watch the show......as stated by the guides here......more tec guys...'the how to wins'....not to lead anyone away from the hunt chat site but www.howstuffworks.com is a good place to find out lots of how to's... can find fishing/hunting tec there too

Born to be outdoors...thanks dad

[fabsroman]

Sorry Gotcha!!!!!!!!!!!!, I must have mistaken the weight of that black marlin for what they said was the higher end of the black marlin range in Panama. The show said the black marlin range in Panama from 200 to 600 lbs, but this fish was an exception to the average. It was 13 feet long and like nothing they usually see down there.

Here is an article putting it at 1,000 lbs. It was caught by Neil Patrick and Bill Shedd, but Neil Patrick was the angler originally hooked up to it.

http://www.tropicstar.com/reports2/jan23_05.shtml

So, maybe this time you didn't "get me." I find it almost hilarious that the only time you chime in on a thread is to "get somebody." Maybe I'll be able to return the favor at a later date, or do you do all your substantive posting under a different screen name?

[fabsroman]

Here is another account of the catching of that black marlin, and I believe it is being told by one of the camera men that filmed it. Other captains readily agree that the fish was well over the 1,000 pound mark and other think it was over 1,200. So, I guess it might have been a world record on 50 lb test. Problem is, we will never know for sure because Neil Patrick decided to let it live instead of getting a world record. Good for him.

http://www.worldwidefishing.com/press.html?id=164

[Gotcha!]

Well, thank you Mr. Roman for posting the article links.

Instead of pointing out your usual errors myself, I will let everyone else compare your account with those to which you refer.

Just to what do you think my Gotcha! handle refers? Maybe it is just to provide the adversarial atmosphere which gets your litigious juices flowing.

[Tater]

[fabsroman]

Gotcha,

I will readily admit that my "recollection" of the show is not exactly as the articles read, but it is pretty dang close, and that is a recollection. I wasn't sitting there taking notes on the show with the intention of posting about it later. As far as the transfer of fish is concerned, I know that they were doing it, to a certain degree, by throwing the tennis ball across to the other boat and hooking the 80 lb setup to the leader on the fish. I saw that with my own eyes.

You must obviously know who I am and/or been following my posts pretty closely for you to know my last name. I am surprised that you don't know my first name too.

As I previously said, I hope I can return the "Gotcha" favor. Problem is that you don't post substantively under the "Gotcha" screen name, so I do not know who to repay for this favor. Kind of cheap if you ask me. Anybody with honor wouldn't use an alternative name to call somebody out on something. If I see an issue with a post, I call it out without using an additional screen name. However, I could probably come up with a creative alternative screen name to attack a mistake on one of your posts.

By the way, I read my initial post about the Guy Harvey show, and I am surprised you didn't call me out on the grammar errors.

[Skyline]

fabs I was going to mention the grammar, but I thought I would give you a break.