My Rant on Clinton

[Andy L]

I dont do this very often, but Ive had about all I can take. How in the hell does anyone support the Clintons? What did they do that was so great? I always did think he was a dud in office and it was all smoke and mirrors. Now its crystal clear I was right, but alot of sheeple still think of him as a hero. And whats even scarier than that, there is a very good chance his wife my be our next president.

Clinton had a great economy. But it was a propped up economy. The DOW hit all time highs, but it was on the strength of blue sky stocks, for the most part, such as .com stocks. They couldnt/wouldnt stand the test of time. I know many folks that made alot of money on that run. Alot of those people made the money on paper, elevated their standard of living, lost it all plus some and are in trouble now. Scraping hard to get by. But its all Bushs fault according to them. What? The DOW is now at even higher levels, having whethered the 9/11 thing, and is on a good foundation this time. But Bush gets no credit. All other indicators have weathered the fall after the false Clinton economy and are strong again on good foundations, but Bush gets no credit. I dont understand it.

Clinton is credited with a peaceful, no wars, administration. Yet he had all the intel anyone would need to know that bin Laden was a serious threat and let him go at least three times. Had he taken him out then, cutting off the money and training of the terrorists were fighting now, theres no doubt things would have been different.

He paid off that sawed off N Korean to not make nukes, instead of dealing with him. He used the money to make nukes, now Bush has to clean up that mess.

I could go on and on, and I know Im preaching to the choir to alot of you but Im frustrated as hell right now.

Since when does a person in the USA move to a state part time and immediately become elected to the US Senate? Thats some BS that would happen in a third world country like Iran or Mexico. Just unreal. That woman is evil. Totally evil. She has an agenda that is going to haunt all of us that enjoy our freedom, including the second ammendment, for the rest of our lives and our kids lives. And no matter what anyone says, unless something drastic happens soon, shes gonna be our next leader. And have a democratic house to work with.

Folks, were in a sad state of affairs right now. With Hillary at the healm, Bill whispering in her ear, Feinstein, Boxer, Pelosi, Kerry, Gore, Kennedy and a host of others backing her every move and bringing up more ideas and the numbers to back their every move, were in big trouble.

Sad thing is, I dont know what to do about it.

Ill quit. Im sure you all already knew all this.

Andy

[Andy L]

One more thing. This whole Foley thing. How the hell did a queer get elected into the house as a republican? It goes against one of the main platforms of the GOP. I dont understand. Is he a plant? A mole?

How conveient was that whole thing. Dont get me wrong, gays turn my stomach. Gays that prey on juveniles make me think they should face the death penalty. This Foley dude is way out of bounds and a sick puppy. But how convenient was it for this thing, that has been going on for a long time, came to the surface a month before an election that can decide the rest of everyone that is reading this lives? A time when it was pretty much a dead heat between the critical races and now tilted heavily toward the radical left. The guy is sickening and should be removed from office (and the human race) but the entire GOP should not be punished for it. It has nothing to do with the GOPs abilities to handle world or economic situations.

This is all a sick joke to some. Its just partisan politics. The problem I have and why Im so upset is like I have said over and over, this election and the one in two years are so critical, such big turning points and defining moments to the rest of mine and the everyone reading this lives. Probably the most defining moment in the history of the US, with everything going on right now.

I pray everyone wakes up.

[Tall Shadow]

Andy, I understand just what you mean....and I agree with you about the whole Clinton(s) "thing". The amount of BS that guy got away with, and still does, boggles the mind sometimes.


As for the Foley incident, yes he should be gone....and he is....There is something you wouldn't see a liberal do....resign!

But the Libs & their good buddies in the mainstream "Drive-by" media sat on the information about what Foley had done for over 11 MONTHS! Don't even start to buy into the idea that this is "New" news to any of them....It was planed for a week or two Before the November elections...But had to be brought out due to the Dems doing so poorly in the polls (Or should I say, America doing so well)....Many of them have said as much in the last few days. It was a political stunt, Pure and simple.

It's important to remember just how desperate these people are to regain power in the US....They will stop at nothing, stoop however low they must to do so.
WE MUST NOT LET THIS HAPPEN!

All of our futures..Literally..depend on it.

Tall Shadow

[jon lynn]

I am not loyal to any party, I think our problem as a country is that we only have two real political groups to choose from, A or B, and if neither is up to snuff we are hurting, like now.

I liked Bill, but hate the don't ask don't tell BS, but hate Hillary and become physically ill over the thought she may actually pull the right strings and get in to the Oval Office. She and Monica couldn't both fit under the desk.

I think Bush is a lousy president too. I am sure Wild Bill used smoke and mirrors for the economy, but don't even try to say GW didn't do the same for the Iraq cause.

I voted for Ronald Regan, although I was at the time a registered Democrat. Having said that, and I ain't going to get in to a wizzin' contest, my opinion is as valad as the rest.

We "ALL" (yeah me too) listen to what we want to hear. If you like GW just stay on Fox News, if you don't just go to CBS. Reporters choose sides now, it has nothing to do with actual news reporting.

We need a new and true third party, and not the no-nuke, tree hugging joke Green Peace types. We need a reincarnation of the Bull Moose Party, because Teddy didn't take no gruff, and still delivered a speech after being shot!


But I say this (well write) with a true and sincere heart: NOT ONE DAMNED POLITITIAN CARES ONE BIT FOR THE AMERICAN VOTER ANY MORE; JUST THE AMERICAN VOTE; SO THEY CAN LINE THEIR POCKETS WITH AMERICAN MONEY; REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT.

Politics is money for them, a rich career. With minimal work for a few years, they get a pension for life. Yep four years work and an income for life. I was in the Army for 10 years, and don't get squat, you that stayed 20, don't get much. But the former elected get it for life.

Remember the 'HUNT CHAT PARTY' would do Wonders for America! I am sure we would do things right, and do what is best for our America.

[Andy L]

Third party would be good. But this is the real world. Not a fantasy. Gotta choose. Hillary? Or anybody else?

[Tall Shadow]

Originally posted by Andy L
Third party would be good. But this is the real world. Not a fantasy. Gotta choose. Hillary? Or anybody else?

I agree.

Yes, it would be a wonderful thing to find a third party that was the best of what made/makes this the greatest country in the world.....But, alas.....This (as I tell My kids) isn't a Disney movie, and everything doesn't always work out after 1 1/2 hours have gone by.

We have, what we have.
We should always be working toward a better system, but You and I have to live in Today.

On the one hand, you have Hitlery, Diane Fineswine, Chucky Shumer, and the countless other liberals (Democrats/Socialists) who...and PLEASE! Make no mistake about this! want to take away everyones guns.... not just Handguns, Not just Military styled guns, not just the .50's....
ALL OF THEM, YOUR'S, MINE.....ALL OF THEM!

Your scoped deer gun will/has become "A Sniper Rifle"
Your Shotgun "Can spray death from the hip indiscriminately killing people!"
Your muzzle loader "Is an unregulated, untraceable killing machine!"

On the other, we have a party that, while not living up to it's potential, has historically upheld Our rights.


What's that you say? You can't vote only on one issue?

I'm not.

I list those things that matter the most to me, and those I love.

Take said list and compare it to the core beliefs of the two sides.

Pick the one that my list most agrees with.

Vote.

Get involved, Question your beliefs, tell the side you pick what you like, and what you don't about what they stand for...and where they are going. Make a difference.


You and I, and all of us have to work with what we have at hand.

It's not a perfect system...Non are. Work with what you have...untill you can change it for the better.

We all win that way.

Tall Shadow

[Andy L]

You hit it on the head TS.

I would vote for and be a part of a third party, such as Libratarian, Bull Moose, ect... if they had a prayer. The reality is the democraps would love it and clean house. There are X number of votes available. To have a third party, those votes have to come from somewhere. Where do you think they will come from? It sure wont be the democrat base. They dont want change. A third party would surely be for second ammendment rights, lower social programs, more self accountability and smaller government. All of which Joe Blow trailer park, drawing a government check so he dont have to work is definitely not going for that. That would mean he would have to go to work. Thats not the entire dem base, but a huge part of it.

The votes will be taken from the GOP. Basically, a perfect third party would be a refined, cleaned up version of the conservative philosphy anyway. No deadbeat, minority, illegal immigrant or any financially motivated bleeding heart that soaks the government to make money while trying to look like they are helping the downtrodden (read deadbeats) would want to vote for a platform like that.

I have looked at several groups over the years that sound good on the surface. They every one claim to go back to the basics of the constitution and get America back on track, until you dig in. Each has their own radical hidden agenda, after they think they have your support.

The latest one I looked at, even joined for one year so I could get their inside info to make an informed decision was the John Birch Society. On the surface, they are great. They have great ideas about the Constitution being the supreme, and basically only, law of the land. Getting back to the gold standard, dealing with the Mexicans, ect.... But when you get their monthly stuff, they are just another over the top radical group with an agenda and will go nowhere, thank God.

Unfortunately, until something better does show up. And it wont, not in our lifetime, the GOP is the closest thing to standing for whats right. Including in a big way our second ammendment rights. They are not in any way perfect. They have many demons. But not as many as the only viable alternative.

Its a sad situation. But in reality, its all we got. The lesser of two evils. IMO, not a humble one either, Ill take the GOP everytime over the likes of Kerry, Gore, Clintons, Kennedys, Rockerfellers, Boxer, Feinstein, the list is long. The left wing scares me to death.

And folks, Ill say it again. This election and the one in two years are going to have a dramatic impact on the rest of our lives and our kids lives. More than any election in history. Theres too much on the table right now that could go either way to change horses. Please drop all the division in our own ranks. This isnt the time. We cannont afford to give the lefties a blank check. If the GOP cant control the house, senate and president, then we must have gridlock. That would at least buy us time to figure another strategy.

Thanks for listening.

Andy

[Andy L]

One more thing, Jon, I like the idea of a Huntchat Party in power. But look at it closely. What do you think it would be? It would be exactly what I posted above. A cleaned up version of the GOP. I will bet good money that if you polled this group, your not going to get many votes with a liberal base.

[jon lynn]

I think the Disney-Fantasy terms are a bit harsh, because that is what I think the problem is, the two party only system is installed in our heads. we need a 3rd party. Not the next election, but build, and get a reputation over the next fifteen to twenty years.

But if I were choosing my FANTASY candidate he would stand for:

1. English is the only language offically, and other languages will be taught in school for foregin travels, but not to make it where gennerations can live here and not bother to learn the language of the land. Atleast enough spoken English to get your point across.

2. A wall would indeed be built between the US and Mexico. A real honest wall, not some minor tortillia curtian.

3. Illegal aliens would be really ILLEGAL. If caught crossing a second time, it means hard time in prison. An all English speaking prison that is.

4. Actors and other rich and famous types, will go to real prison for crime, and not check in to Betty Ford for two weeks and be forgiven, over and over and over.

5. American industry would not be out sourced to India, China and other places, where labor is 16 cents an hour, so when you call AOL for help, Apu from the Simpsone won't struggel with the superb Oklahoma accent he can't seem to understand.

6. No buisness, ie insurance companys, can have automated answering. The stupid "Please repeat, did you say........?" Or press 8 if you want to come shoot our manager.

7. Like in Australlia, if your religous beliefs do not allow you to obey the laws of the land, get the hell out.

8. News reporting will put the facts back in reporting, and not what they think the news is.

9. CNN International will cover US sports for 55 minutes of the sports news hour, and not European soccer, leaving a full 30 seconds for US sports as you get now....................stupid Ted Turner.........

10. American brewerys will stop cheapening beer contents. Beer is NOT made from rice! And what about the pasturization stuff?

Now THIS, is better than a Disney Fantasy

P.S. NCAA players would have to stay in school, until they got a REAL diploma.

[fabsroman]

Jon, pretty good post, but that is just a beginning. You started on a lot of your pet peeves, but they do not even address a handful of the country's problems.

By the way, your request about CNN International playing 55 minutes of US sports news during the sports hour is ludicrous. It is called CNN INTERNATIONAL, get the INTERNATIONAL, for a reason. If you want US sports, turn to ESPN or ESPN2.

Okay, some of the things you missed.

Alterantive means of fuel shall be made mandatory. Seems as though that debate has decreased significantly because gas prices are not as high as they used to be. Don't let this little lull in the price of gas fool you. The supply is running out and the environment is getting destroyed.

Okay, that is a good seguay into the environment issue. How about ensuring that big business does not pollute, and that consumers reduce their pollution as much as possible. How about making recycling mandatory thoughout the US.

Oh yeah, then we have something called the budget. How about balancing the budget and trying to get rid of the huge debt that the US currently has. I don't care how we get rid of the debt, but one of the places to start is foreign aid.

How about the poor in the US? What programs do we put in place to get them out of poverty? Me, I am all for work programs in lieu of free handouts. Even if they have to produce bolts, nails, etc. (i.e., menial tasks). There doing something for their money will be positive for the nation.

What about crime? How do we decrease crime in the US?

Okay, I think I am done for right now because I have to hit the road on the bike, but I'll try to think of some other important issues that need to be addressed in the US.

Oh yeah, what about public land for hunting. That has got to be the most important one. LOL

[Andy L]

Alot of our energy problems could be solved just doing away with special interests. Were not close to running out of oil. Thats just false. Were close to running out of oil that we can get without a fight.

I understand there is a huge oil field just tapped in the Gulf that they arent sure exactly how big it is yet, but its huge. Theres a huge oil field in Alaska that needs tapped. Its not going to hurt a damned thing and from pics I have seen, the caribou they are so worried about like to stand under the pipes to keep warm. Good for all. I saw a report of the largest, or at least one of the largest, oilfields in the world right off our coast in New England. It needs tapped. We got oil, just need to get it. If we tapped those sources, it wont take long for CHEAP foreign oil to start pouring in. They got more than we know, Im sure.

As for alternative fuel, its gonna be a long time before thats viable. Right now its not going to work. Corn takes more to produce and takes more to equal gas, that makes it impossible to be a viable alternative. Same with everything else at the moment. They are working on it though....

For home power, wind is a good one. But you got situations like the Kennedys not wanting windmills off shore that could save a bundle because they like to go boating there and it would ruin the view. Theres lots of things like that going on. Mostly by hypocirtical demorats. (sic)

I like the idea of work programs instead of handouts. Everyone, practically, can do something if its licking stamps for the government for their food stamps.

Illegal aliens should mean you spend time on a prison chain gang before being shipped back to where you came from. Work a while for nothing making our roads better and country prettier before deportation. Maybe think twice before making the swim next time....

Ill be back too. Lots of ideas. One of us needs to run for president.... LOL

[fabsroman]

Okay, so we have the cheap energy problem fixed, but how about the clean energy problem? If the entire world has smog like LA in the next century, it isn't going to be too good for our grandchildren. Tapping oil wells and burning billions of gallons of it every year is not the answer to a cleaner environment.

[Tall Shadow]

Originally posted by fabsroman
Okay, so we have the cheap energy problem fixed, but how about the clean energy problem? If the entire world has smog like LA in the next century, it isn't going to be too good for our grandchildren. Tapping oil wells and burning billions of gallons of it every year is not the answer to a cleaner environment.

Actually what he had said, was that we are Nowhere near being out of crude oil in the future. Peak Oil! was/is a fallacy, born to those who don't grasp the size and scope of this planet...Or that do not wish to.

(Point to ponder)
If we hold present theories to be true, Our current oil (Crude) was made when plant/animal life from millions of years ago, underwent cooking/pressure for millions of years. What no one seams to be able to answer is : why have we never found a "Batch" that isn't done yet? or that is in the process of becoming crude oil?
I mean, the plant/animals didn't cease to exist millions of years ago...there has been a steady (fairly) stream of dieing things through out the history of earth.. along with geological/weather forces being fairly constent.....why would the possess not have "Batches" that are just starting, part way done, and then fully done?

Or is our precious "Theory" just wrong to begin with?

Maybe it is a continual process?



On the other hand, However, anything that would be stated to replace our dependence on oil, must truly Replace it.

Would any of the "Sheep" be willing to give-up their material thing that they "Need" on a daily basis?

Would any of us give-up everything that plastics have done for us?

Would you be willing to "Give-up" the medicine that keeps your loved one alive?

None of the alternatives do. Plain and simple.

Oil is going to be here for quite some time. We have found it just too useful to abandon just yet.

Tall Shadow

[Tall Shadow]

Originally posted by fabsroman
Okay, so we have the cheap energy problem fixed, but how about the clean energy problem? If the entire world has smog like LA in the next century, it isn't going to be too good for our grandchildren. Tapping oil wells and burning billions of gallons of it every year is not the answer to a cleaner environment.

Forgot one big one about your post......

LA is in a basin, winds don't "Clear" the smog away very well in a basin.....
+ California has the strictest standards in the US for pollution.

And are also one of/if not the/ largest users of electricity in the country. (Hint...that power comes from somewhere!)

And meanwhile the state is suffering from an inadequate power supply system (Due to the refusal of residents to allow power stations to be built), yet demanding & buying the things that use more and more power.....the demand just goes up, and up!, and up!.....

Just think how bad it will be in the next few years...what with all of the "Undocumented Residents" adding to the load!

Conservation only can go so far.....One still expends energy doing any activity....as such, One needs a source for this energy.....Ours, like it or not, right now(and for the foreseeable future)...Is oil.


Tall Shadow

[Andy L]

This is a good discussion, but one quick look back at the main topic. I hope the public wakes up before its too late. The reality is there is no viable third party at the moment. And if something dont change real quick, the demorats are going to have control.

God help us all.